Atlantic City Open Forum
Quote: ECoasterPress reports from NJ say the Plaza planning to send out notices of a possible Sept. closing.
Good riddance. Terrible service and attitudes all around.
Quote: BozQuote from the one and only UK Stages ">>Revel will be closing<<
my goodness, where did you hear that?
what's the closing date?
last i heard they had filed for bankruptcy and the place was up and running and fully operational and they were searching for a buyer. i stayed there recently, i played there recently; nobody said nuthin' about closing. please share your source; inquiring minds want to know!
wow. what a sudden turn of events.
they're closing?
my goodness, i would think the press of AC would cover a story such as that"
Using this guy as their corporate communications director from the start is only one of many errors they made. As posted above, he may get the honor of being the last one to turn the lights out.
His simple statement above just repeats all of the arrogance Revel showed from Day 1 and is a huge reason why they failed.
Why does everyone think he gets compensated? Maybe he just really likes the place.
Quote: GWAEWhy does everyone think he gets compensated? Maybe he just really likes the place.
Did he "like" the place before it opened? He has been a pitchman, along the lines of Comical Ali in Iraq, since before they opened. No one can spread blatent lies again and again without compensation. Also he posted so much corporate speak over the years that he was given by his good friend Kevin DeSanctis, again he is either a fool or paid.
Quote: BozDid he "like" the place before it opened? He has been a pitchman, along the lines of Comical Ali in Iraq, since before they opened. No one can spread blatent lies again and again without compensation. Also he posted so much corporate speak over the years that he was given by his good friend Kevin DeSanctis, again he is either a fool or paid.
I am not saying that he is not, I was just wondering if he actually does work for them or if it was just a theory.
Quote: GWAEDoes anyone know if any of the AC casinos do a match to CET platinum cards? I know B does one to the diamond.
I do not believe any do. As you probably know, the Platnium card is worth much more in Vegas than in AC. In AC there is not many benefits to a Platnium as at one time everyone had one. Even Diamonds are still everywhere in AC, as you can see if you look outside the Diamond Lounge on a Tuesday at 2PM to see the line wrapping about slots to get in. And since they require 25K in points to get in for free, there obviously is still a lot around.
Quote: BozI do not believe any do. As you probably know, the Platnium card is worth much more in Vegas than in AC. In AC there is not many benefits to a Platnium as at one time everyone had one. Even Diamonds are still everywhere in AC, as you can see if you look outside the Diamond Lounge on a Tuesday at 2PM to see the line wrapping about slots to get in. And since they require 25K in points to get in for free, there obviously is still a lot around.
All a platinum really does in AC is give you free parking, a shorter line to check into hotels, and a slight increase in discounts for the gift shop.
Quote: Lemieux66All a platinum really does in AC is give you free parking, a shorter line to check into hotels, and a slight increase in discounts for the gift shop.
1 more perk: an AP can sell his platinum card to a newbie for free parking [most cashiers are too lazy to check IDs]!
Quote: Lemieux66All a platinum really does in AC is give you free parking, a shorter line to check into hotels, and a slight increase in discounts for the gift shop.
yeah I figured it got you nothing. The only reason we have platinum is because we have the total rewards credit card. I have 0 tier points in the last 2 years. We have approx 180,000 rewards credits right now thanks to the credit card and the last 2 race to rewards promos. We plan on using most of them next month before CET devalues them anymore.
The Donald has not controlled the casinos with his name for years. Credit Suisse has been the major factor. But even before the Donald was pushed out for incompetence, he ran the place into the ground. He was so chintzy that they did not even have enough vacuum cleaners to clean the occupied hotel rooms daily, as the CCC licensing hearings brought out.Quote: NokTangIf so, Mr. Trump has been all over FOX News telling us all how he knows everything about business, foreign affairs, buying golf courses, dealing with people and "I can borrow from any bank". It would not be a good PR move to close a property with his name on it.
Quote: GWAEyeah I figured it got you nothing. The only reason we have platinum is because we have the total rewards credit card. I have 0 tier points in the last 2 years. We have approx 180,000 rewards credits right now thanks to the credit card and the last 2 race to rewards promos. We plan on using most of them next month before CET devalues them anymore.
Thanks for sharing the perk which is unknown to me. Wow, it's good to know the power of total rewards credit card. Your 180,000 rewards credits are equal to $1,800 comp dollars! Oh sh*t! I shredded the offer for a total rewards credit card. I regret it big time!
Quote: FortalezoThanks for sharing the perk which is unknown to me. Wow, it's good to know the power of total rewards credit card. Your 180,000 rewards credits are equal to $1,800 comp dollars! Oh sh*t! I shredded the offer for a total rewards credit card. I regret it big time!
Log on to your TR account and the offer should pop up.
Quote: FortalezoThanks for sharing the perk which is unknown to me. Wow, it's good to know the power of total rewards credit card. Your 180,000 rewards credits are equal to $1,800 comp dollars! Oh sh*t! I shredded the offer for a total rewards credit card. I regret it big time!
Just to be clear though, most of the points are from the race and not the credit card.
We had more but used 70,000 last summer.
Quote: onenickelmiracleUK says up, it's really down; therefore, Revel isn't closing. If it is really true, he wouldn't come on the web for some time.
Sorry but like another on here with the 2012 election, UK never admits when he is wrong, he only posts more nonsense thinking others will take it as fact.
Quote: BozSorry but like another on here with the 2012 election, UK never admits when he is wrong, he only posts more nonsense thinking others will take it as fact.
Like a British knockoff of the old "Joe Izuzu" schtick?
Lovitz is coming to town next week. Trivia for tickets at Mountaineer was about his character Tom Flanahan who always lies.Quote: 7star4nowLike a British knockoff of the old "Joe Izuzu" schtick?
"Don't Hail Caesars Yet For Its Asia Breakthrough In Korea"
"Caesars Entertainment missed out on the Asia boom and has paid a heavy price. The company, whose flagship Caesars Palace became synonymous with Las Vegas decadent luxury, has been surpassed by Strip rivals that got Macau licenses and is even seeing its home turf invaded by Malaysia’s Genting Group, funded by its Singapore cash cow, Resorts World Sentosa...
For more than a decade, Caesars and its corporate predecessors have been trying to break into the Asian gaming market. When Macau offered licenses in 2001, Caesars (then using the corporate name Park Place) partnered with Strip rival Mandalay Bay on a bid. Macau’s government brushed aside the recommendation of its consultant, which ranked the Caesars bid among top three, to choose the partnership of Galaxy Entertainment Group and Las Vegas Sands, whose owners have become billionaires. Harrah’s, which took over Caesars in 2005 and took its name in 2010, didn’t even submit a proposal, then passed on the chance for a Macau subconcession in 2006. “A big mistake,” then Harrah’s and now Caesars CEO Gary Loveman has admitted repeatedly since. (Far less costly mistakes have cost careers.)...
Then Caesars got desperate. In 2007, it paid $577 million for a Macau golf course at the south end of Cotai. (A year earlier, Melco Crown paid $900 million to buy its Macau gaming license.) Although Caesars claimed it wanted to build its brand in Macau through golf, and land is the most valuable commodity in Macau – though they are making more of it – the real hope was that the government would allow it to replace the golf course with a casino resort. The government stood firm that the land could not be converted and backed that up with a moratorium on new casino proposals. Last year, Caesars sold the plot at a net loss of about $150 million, another potential career-ender that Loveman survived.Between buying and selling the golf course, Caesars was taken private in a leveraged buyout and went public again in 2012. The company is saddled with some $20 billion in debt. South Korea’s government reportedly initially turned down Caesar’s development proposal due to concerns about that debt. Caesars’ troubles are hardly all behind it; company losses over the past two reported quarters have exceeded $2.1 billion..."
and now Loveman targets Korea?:
"Until South Korea allows its citizens broader casino access, experts say developers can’t justify investing multi-billion dollar integrated resort (IR) properties that would drive new gaming oriented tourism with wow factors found in Singapore or Macau. A Union Gaming Research Macau analysis of Genting’s Jeju project says that a $2.2 billion resort can’t succeed without Korean players. The same logic applies to Caesars in Incheon and a gaming resort development closer to the airport spearheaded by Korean casino operator Paradise Group with Japanese gaming machine manufacturer Sega Sammy.
With a population of 50 million and a per capita GDP in the world’s top 15, South Korea tempts the biggest names in gaming. Unfortunately, those 50 million Koreas and their trillion dollar economy are not permitted to enter 16 of the country’s 17 casinos. The exception is Kangwon Land, located in a derelict mining region a harrowing three and a half hour drive from Seoul. Even there, steps to control problem gambling include restrictions on the number and duration of visits. Kangwon Land recorded gross gaming revenue of $1.25 billion last year, more than the 16 foreigner only casinos combined. Koreans are the biggest foreign revenue source for Philippine casinos, currently the closest major gaming destination, with a flight time from Seoul about as long as the trip to Kangwon Land."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/muhammadcohen/2014/07/11/dont-hail-caesars-yet-for-its-asia-breakthrough-in-korea/?partner=yahootix
Quote: SanchoPanzaThe Donald has not controlled the casinos with his name for years. Credit Suisse has been the major factor. But even before the Donald was pushed out for incompetence, he ran the place into the ground. He was so chintzy that they did not even have enough vacuum cleaners to clean the occupied hotel rooms daily, as the CCC licensing hearings brought out.
You are talking about the next President of the United States ! On FOX he's got everything figured out.
Quote: NokTangYou are talking about the next President of the United States ! On FOX he's got everything figured out.
You are half right, he does have common sense answers, but he will never be elected because he talks about hard work and less government and we are at point in our history when more than 50% of the voters dont agree with those two items.
"frankly, when they come looking for who is to blame for the "demise" of AC, they will rightly point fingers at the city planners, at the mismanaged marketing teams who were asleep at the wheel for decades, at the poor executive leadership of many casino companies, at the declining payback percentages... but taking their rightful share of the blame should be those who post misleading and untrue statements on internet message boards and discourage people from visiting AC because of false statements about the quality of service or availability of service. my goodness, we have people on this forum who claim to know what employees at the revel, at showboat and at trump plaza are THINKING and insist they know deep within the smithy of their souls that those thoughts will somehow result in inferior service."
He also missed the accepting his share of the blame for his outright lies over and over about Revel that just made players dislike them more and more.
Oh yea, when is he going to reply to his statement that VP would not be part of the 10X Promotion at Borgata last week???
Quote: BozLooks like UK is totaly losing it by now blaming the failure of AC on POSTERS on internet forums keeping others away. He may need help when Revel isnt sold and closes.
"frankly, when they come looking for who is to blame for the "demise" of AC, they will rightly point fingers at the city planners, at the mismanaged marketing teams who were asleep at the wheel for decades, at the poor executive leadership of many casino companies, at the declining payback percentages... but taking their rightful share of the blame should be those who post misleading and untrue statements on internet message boards and discourage people from visiting AC because of false statements about the quality of service or availability of service. my goodness, we have people on this forum who claim to know what employees at the revel, at showboat and at trump plaza are THINKING and insist they know deep within the smithy of their souls that those thoughts will somehow result in inferior service."
He also missed the accepting his share of the blame for his outright lies over and over about Revel that just made players dislike them more and more.
Oh yea, when is he going to reply to his statement that VP would not be part of the 10X Promotion at Borgata last week???
this is turning into quite the conspiracy theory -
big tobacco execs, union leaders & now "internet posters" are circling Revel in black helicopters?
“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you”
I can't wait to see Oliver Stone's "Revel - the Movie"
Quote: 7star4nowthis is turning into quite the conspiracy theory -
big tobacco execs, union leaders & now "internet posters" are circling Revel in black helicopters?
I can't wait to see Oliver Stone's "Revel - the Movie"
Stone? I was hoping for Michael Bay:-)
Well I do have a rather large stack of them I've been accumulating in an ever expanding stockpile as fuel for the heating season. I could certainly spare a few to ship in your direction, since judging by some of the other people I know whose mail & inboxes have also been choking on the flood of them I don't think they're any too picky about who actually responds to take one. I'm thinking my neighbor's little ankle-nibbling yip-yap dog might like to be Platinum, since their Las Vegas properties have been making a big deal out of being "pet friendly" while not so much for befriending people who want to bet money on stuff.Quote: FortalezoOh sh*t! I shredded the offer for a total rewards credit card. I regret it big time!
Quote: rdw4potusStone? I was hoping for Michael Bay:-)
unfortunately, "Larry Linville" has passed (Major Frank Burns of MASH).
I believe, despite limited acting range, he could have played both the part of Kevin D, & UK (utilizing a fake British accent), portraying 2 middle aged+ white guys throwing a 2.5 billion $ party, that no one attended, (except some 20 somethings who pee'd & spit in their bathroom sinks & spent no $)
"Over 1,000 employees of Trump Plaza will receive their Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN) letters today as the casino moves forward with its plans to close in September. However, there could be some hope to save the casino and for Atlantic City’s future.
Longtime Atlantic City talk show host Harry Hurley, a former Trump executive, says there is a “very interested buyer” for the property from a foreign company that wants to keep it operating as a hotel and casino. It is not known if they would maintain the “Trump” name.
Hurley also reports that MGM is interested in getting back into the casino business and will re-apply for its Atlantic City gaming license. In 2007, the company announced plans to build the $5 billion, multi-tower, 3.000 room MGM Mirage resort and casino that would include a 1,500 seat theater, retail and convention space adjacent to the Borgata.
The project ground to a halt in 2008, however, after the company’s earnings plunged during its third quarter. In 2010 MGM attemtped to leave New Jersey completely, putting its 50 percent share in the Borgata up for sale after the company’s relationship with Pansy Ho, their partner in the Chinese gambling resort of Macau, came under question. Pansy Ho was believed to have connections to Asian organized crime gangs at the time.
However, after there were no takers for the share, the company in 2013 applied to New Jersey Casino Control Commission to keep its stake and reconsider its status in order to “once again be an active, contributing member of the New Jersey gaming marketplace through our 50 percent ownership of Borgata.” A decision has yet to be announced.
Read More: WARN letters go out to Trump Plaza workers | http://nj1015.com/warn-letters-go-out-to-trump-plaza-workers/?trackback=tsmclip
Gaming revenue in Atlantic City was stagnant last month compared with June 2013, according to newly released data from state regulators, as the resort town copes with news that yet another casino could close its doors by the fall.
For the 11 casinos that were open in both June 2013 and June 2014, slot machine and table game winnings decreased 0.3 percent year-over-year, according to the Division of Gaming Enforcement. When including the Atlantic Club, which closed in January, casino win fell 5.7 percent compared with a year ago.
The DGE noted June 2014 had one fewer Saturday than June 2013.
http://www.njbiz.com/article/20140714/NJBIZ01/140719858/No-hot-hand-for-casinos-in-June-stats-show-as-AC-braces-for-more-change
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
June 2014 revenues for Atlantic City casinos:
Golden Nugget: $14.3 million, up 32.4 percent
Tropicana: $25.8 million, up 22.9 percent
Caesars: $28.8 million, up 12.2 percent
Borgata: $48.1 million, down 0.9 percent
Harrah's: $29.6 million, down 1.6 percent
Revel: $11.3 million, down 1.9 percent
Resorts: $11.4 million, down 4.7 percent
Trump Taj Mahal: $20 million, down 7.8 percent
Showboat: $14.1 million, down 16.6 percent
Bally's: $17.9 million, down 17.7 percent
Trump Plaza: $4.7 million, down 31.9 percent
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/14/4235889/atlantic-city-casino-revenue-for.html#storylink=cpy
Quote: 7star4nowAtlantic City casino revenue for June 2014
Gaming revenue in Atlantic City was stagnant last month compared with June 2013, according to newly released data from state regulators, as the resort town copes with news that yet another casino could close its doors by the fall.
For the 11 casinos that were open in both June 2013 and June 2014, slot machine and table game winnings decreased 0.3 percent year-over-year, according to the Division of Gaming Enforcement. When including the Atlantic Club, which closed in January, casino win fell 5.7 percent compared with a year ago.
The DGE noted June 2014 had one fewer Saturday than June 2013.
http://www.njbiz.com/article/20140714/NJBIZ01/140719858/No-hot-hand-for-casinos-in-June-stats-show-as-AC-braces-for-more-change
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
June 2014 revenues for Atlantic City casinos:
Golden Nugget: $14.3 million, up 32.4 percent
Tropicana: $25.8 million, up 22.9 percent
Caesars: $28.8 million, up 12.2 percent
Borgata: $48.1 million, down 0.9 percent
Harrah's: $29.6 million, down 1.6 percent
Revel: $11.3 million, down 1.9 percent
Resorts: $11.4 million, down 4.7 percent
Trump Taj Mahal: $20 million, down 7.8 percent
Showboat: $14.1 million, down 16.6 percent
Bally's: $17.9 million, down 17.7 percent
Trump Plaza: $4.7 million, down 31.9 percent
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/14/4235889/atlantic-city-casino-revenue-for.html#storylink=cpy
Tropicana does a hell of a job appealing to twenty something males who have NO idea how to play blackjack.
4.7 million is just pathetic for the Trump. I can not believe that they didn't just say F it and lock the doors.
There are several ways to increase ridership and revenue on the Atlantic City Rail Line, according to a study commissioned by NJ Transit, but the agency doesn't plan to do any of them.
With NJ Transit strapped for money and Atlantic City losing casinos, visitors and employees, the transit agency has shelved the recommendations of a study that was authorized in 2009 by the Corzine administration.
"NJ Transit does not have any immediate plans to begin action on any of the proposals in the analysis," NJ Transit spokesman William J. Smith said in an e-mail.
Smith released the executive summary of the Atlantic City Rail Operations Study that was commissioned for $735,000. The study was prepared by LTK Engineering Services.
MORE COVERAGE
Atlantic City Rail Line Operations Study
The Atlantic City Line, operating between Philadelphia and Atlantic City, is the least-traveled of NJT's rail lines, averaging about 3,450 riders per weekday. Part of the reason, rail planners say, is infrequent service.
Only 12 trains operate in each direction daily now, with passengers required to wait as long as 2-1/2 hours between trains at midday.
The LTK study considered six scenarios for increasing service and revenue, including the possibility of adding a station at the Woodcrest PATCO station in Cherry Hill and another by the Atlantic City International Airport.
Ridership could be increased to 10,860 passengers per day by 2035, if those stations were added and hourly train service was offered in each direction between Atlantic City and Philadelphia, the study said.
Building a station at Woodcrest would cost about $7.5 million, and a station near the airport would cost about $28 million, the study said.
To build the two stations and buy the locomotives and cars necessary for hourly service would cost about $145 million, the study said.
It would cost $33 million a year to operate that service, and fares would cover about $12 million, or 37 percent, of the cost, LTK estimated.
That compares to the current operating cost of $23 million a year, with fares covering 22 percent of the cost
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20140715_NJ_Transit_shelves_AC_line_recommendations.html#5jWotgB5E0hDKecK.99
On July 12, the two suspects approached a man playing a slot machine. While one suspect created a distraction, the other stole a gaming voucher that was worth $424.
http://www.shorenewstoday.com/snt/news/index.php/regional/atlantic-county/54714-two-suspects-sought-for-theft-at-trump-plaza.html
Quote: 7star4nowTwo suspects sought for theft at Trump Plaza
On July 12, the two suspects approached a man playing a slot machine. While one suspect created a distraction, the other stole a gaming voucher that was worth $424.
http://www.shorenewstoday.com/snt/news/index.php/regional/atlantic-county/54714-two-suspects-sought-for-theft-at-trump-plaza.html
This was deleted from the other forum. Imagine that!
Quote: 7star4nowTwo suspects sought for theft at Trump Plaza
On July 12, the two suspects approached a man playing a slot machine. While one suspect created a distraction, the other stole a gaming voucher that was worth $424.
http://www.shorenewstoday.com/snt/news/index.php/regional/atlantic-county/54714-two-suspects-sought-for-theft-at-trump-plaza.html
I thought surveillance had better cameras than this. Thanks for the link. It certainly quashes all the rumors about surveillance.
Quote: sodawaterHow does Trump Plaza even keep the lights on?
More like how on earth that dump of a casino stayed open for so long?!?!?!
Last time I was there which was March 2013 and never again I would step into that place. That also goes for the other sister crap property the Taj Mahal.
Quote: DMSCRMore like how on earth that dump of a casino stayed open for so long?!?!?!
Last time I was there which was March 2013 and never again I would step into that place. That also goes for the other sister crap property the Taj Mahal.
The only benefit to Taj Mahal is that it's not so difficult for poker players to get comp rooms.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/07/20/10-amazing-stats-about-gaming.aspx
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/crime/atlantic-city-police-investigating-two-shot-in-atlantic-city/article_84f66040-0f94-11e4-86aa-001a4bcf887a.html
Sure this happens everywhere, but it doesnt help increase tourism when the shootings and slums are so close to the casinos.
Then again in the Fairy Tale TA world, this never happened.
Quote: Lemieux66Tropicana does a hell of a job appealing to twenty something males who have NO idea how to play blackjack.
Case in point: BJ
Clueless bloggers wax poetic as to why AC hemorrhaging customers ," it's competition", "the economy"
yada yada yada...
Q: which AC Casino offers a competitive BJ product for their customers?
A pair of masked robbers stole over $180,000 from an Atlantic City casino Monday morning, according to New Jersey State Police.
Investigators say the two unidentified suspects entered Caesars Atlantic City on the 2100 block of Pacific Avenue around 6 a.m.. At least one of the suspects pulled out a gun, according to police.
State Police say the suspects stole two plastic cash boxes containing a total of $181,200. They then fled the scene in a car around 6:20 a.m.
http://www.csnphilly.com/article/robbers-steal-over-180k-caesars-casino
Quote: GWAEso which one of you are Dave M?
so which one of you are EZ Dave ?
Quote: GWAEI am staying at Showboat Aug 4th through the 8th. It should be interesting.
Similarly we stayed at the Atlantic Club a few weeks after they announced their closing and everything went fine.
I was recently at Showboat and was treated great. I give credit to the employees for at least not showing the public the worries they have to have. Even when I tried to bring it up to a bartender, he just shrugged it off and provided great service. I doubt you will have any issue.
whole levels, to Baa2. This means the
outlook is negative.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-23/atlantic-city-s-credit-rating-cut-two-steps-to-junk-by-moody-s.html
Quote: onenickelmiracleShowboat closing is hard for me to understand and I wanted to play and maybe stay there in September. Plaza nobody really cares for and it's understood to be reasonable. The bookend joints Revel and Tropicana will see reduced business.
I will miss the Showboat too. Years ago i stayed there for over 200 nights in one year.
Quote: 1BBI'll be there in a couple of weeks. In the meantime, someone here blogged about a new blackjack game at Revel called Switch Hands Blackjack. The blog is still up. Can you see if that's a real game of if someone is pulling my leg?
Blackjack Switch is all over Vegas so it may be a variation of the same game.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/switch/
