Burning Man 2023

To paraphrase Travis;
Someday a rain will come and wash all the scum off the street.

Come in, Travis? We need you now, more than ever.

Events like Burning Man and Coachella are in the middle of nowhere partly because of the low cost to rent the venue.

The one time we went to Coachella as VIP the tickets were about $1000. each (but we got them free through connections I have) and it's on some dusty hot farm (it is a polo field) that stinks of horse manure. That year there was a heat wave and it was over 90 degrees every day, and very windy too which made the dust an even bigger problem. It was worth going to - once.

I think Burning Man was a good festival maybe twenty years ago. Nowadays it's just too crowded and I assume most of the people who know better who go anyway regret it each time. I think originally it was meant as a minimalistic event but for years now it's been more about high tech expensive set ups to overcome the desert elements - the equivalent of people who go to Avalon, Catalina Island and spend their time in a hotel room walking around in a bathrobe instead of exploring and hiking the island.

Burning Man this year 2023 is going to suck if Black Rock City still looks like a wet mess on Sunday

Burning Man Sucks! 10 Reasons to Stay Home 2013

The real Burning Man Festival was held outside of Santa Fe this weekend.

The festival has been held annually since 1712 according to legend, although this year is the 99th official Zozobra festival, and culminates in a fifty-foot marionette being stuffed with people's bad "paper" and burned.
Unlike its ugly step-cousin in the Playa, the Zozobra festival is inclusive, has children's and family events, and raises money for charities throughout northern New Mexico.
They have "sin boxes" where people can put things like arrest warrants, parking tickets, bad report cards etc, etc. The marionette is hollow, but by festival time, it is filled with the boxes
Unlike the sausage fest in Nevada, people don't lay out $2,000 to attend, and most of the money is spent and stays in the Santa Fe- Albuquerque area. Crowds of 60,000 or more were expected for yesterday's kickoff parade.

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The final weekend of the Burning Man festival in Nevada's Black Rock Desert has been marred by heavy rains, transforming the area into a slippery mud bath.

Ah, there goes the neighborhood.

Oughta call it "Muddy Man" or perhaps for those who miss the dry weather "Yearning Man."

Burning Man festival has descended into chaos as unprecedented storms have left 70,000 attendees struggling to leave.

Party-goers were confined to their camps on Saturday as muddy conditions brought on by prolonged rain showers halted movement in and out of Nevada's Black Rock City.

According to the National Weather Service (NWS), cooler-than-usual temperatures are reaching highs of mid-70s on Saturday and dropping to the mid-50s by night, with some people claiming they are suffering from hypothermia.

Rain began to cause issues on Friday afternoon when event organizers halted vehicle traffic and shut down exit gates.

Walking became hazardous, with thick mud clinging to shoes, and by morning, water puddles and street closures were evident, as a direct result of the significant rainfall

I learned in the 1970s to avoid like the plague any place where people take all their clothes off and dance around and act stupid. There's usually way too much dope and way too many dopey people in places like that. If you don't do drugs there's nothing more boring than being around people who do.

I hope it rains even more.

The news is making it sound like the hippie version of Sodom and Gomorrah is being washed away by ungodly floods. Either that or the hippies have been corralled into a death zone and not permitted to leave.

Don't you think officials should be clearing safe passage for anyone that wants to leave? Or is that too much to ask....ahem Moses?

Either way, hope everyone is safe out there.

I read that Grey Poupon is being strictly rationed.

Living in Reno, we don’t want the burners.
Nothing but headaches. Arriving burners are not that bad but when they come back the entire city becomes so dirty from all that dust. It sticks arounds for weeks. You can’t keep anything clean. All the roads become so dusty. Bunch of people abandon their belongings and bicycles alongside of the road, littering you name it they do it. I cannot be happier with what they are all going through, I hope it floods and keep raining so they will never ever return.

in case you missed it:

https://www.tiktok.com/@pearlmania500/video/7274349648158985515

I'm sure if Wizard runs into something like this,



or even this,


he won't mind being hunkered down and trapped in the mud.

But most of what he runs into is probably going to be more like this.

TikToker says they've got ebola at Burning Man and FEMA is putting the place in lock down.
https://twitter.com/TPV_John/status/1698376438171214188
IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT FEMA HAS BEEN SENT IN TO SHUT DOWN BURNING MAN FESTIVAL! 🚨🚨🚨

There are rumors that people are getting SUPER SICK from some mysterious virus that is spreading “boils, vomiting, coughing up coagulated blood” 😳

FEMA has supposedly now locked down the entire area deeming it a “National Disaster”, trapping over 73,000 people inside Black Rock City.

NO way in. NO way out.

Keeping an eye on this situation. Will bring reports as I get more.



This evacuation from the Los Angeles International Airport or LAX was owing to a bomb threat earlier, and it has nothing to do with a private jet coming from the Burning Man infected with Ebola. https://twitter.com/CBKNEWS121/status/1698390487411908999

LA COUNTY HEALTH JUST TWEETED THIS REGARDING THE MARBURG HOSPITALIZATION. UNCLEAR IF ITS LINKED TO BURNING MAN.
https://twitter.com/tracker_deep/status/1698402567414505486


Oh, and Elon Musk has rate limited X so people will get disconnected from the platform within minutes of scrolling through a trending topic, especially during national emergencies.

Burning Man Virus Hand


The authorities could easily quarantine the place for 2 weeks with no supplies coming in and it becomes a death camp, but TV News estimates that people won't be able to leave because of the mud until Tuesday or Wednesday.

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Our performance at Burning Man this afternoon has been postponed by FEMA for ebola. If anyone has four hazmat suits we can borrow that’d sure be swell.

Also no sewage. People pissing and taking dumps everywhere because the portable toilets are all full and can’t be accessed for them to clean and empty them. All that sewage just spreading everywhere

I heard that many people are abandoning their artwork and personal belongings and just leaving them behind. I think this will be the last event that BLM allows. Major littering unless the event somehow cleans it all up.

I assume a FEMA lock down due to Ebola or anything like that is fake news.

But as far as being trapped in there and no one being allowed in or out, that is because of the muddy roads. And one person did apparently die, but of what, unknown.


There are a bunch of these overseas Click Bait sites that purport to have scooped outrageous stories but they are all fake news.

For example, this "Timepiece Gentleman" guy Anthony Farrer apparently scammed $5,000,000. of cash out of investors and watch consignees, but the stories about his arrest

https://www.sarkariexam.com/anthony-farrer-arrest-rumors-of-stealing-5-million-dollars/399322

and death

https://www.fresherslive.com/latest/articles/anthony-farrer-death-what-happened-to-anthony-farrer-how-did-anthony-farrer-die-1555159697

https://news.snbc13.com/anthony-farrer-death-the-timepiece-gentleman-founder-died-from-suicide-by-jumping-after-bankruptcy-obituary/

https://wepublishnews.com/news/anthony-farrer-suicide-california-resident-died-unexpectedly

https://hausanew.com.ng/2023/08/04/anthony-farrer-death-the-timepiece-gentleman-founder-died-by-suicide-after-bankruptcy-he-laid-note-behind/

https://www.ghsplash.com/anthony-farrer-dies-by-suicide-after-bankruptcy-farrer-timepiece-gentleman-founder/

were greatly exaggerated, and he's still around not arrested and not dead perhaps even pursuing new victims with cunning and vigor.

Did Wizard ever write up anywhere publicly about how he felt about going to Burning Man 2022? I know, but I cannot disclose what he said via PMs.

"As his attorney" I advised him not to go to Burning Man 2023. He didn't listen to me.


Over all I think the festival has been going downhill with this year being the nadir.

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I think Burning Man was a good festival maybe twenty years ago. Nowadays it's just too crowded and I assume most of the people who know better who go anyway regret it each time. I think originally it was meant as a minimalistic event but for years now it's been more about high tech expensive set ups to overcome the desert elements - the equivalent of people who go to Avalon, Catalina Island and spend their time in a hotel room walking around in a bathrobe instead of exploring and hiking the island.

Burning Man this year 2023 is going to suck if Black Rock City still looks like a wet mess on Sunday

Burning Man Sucks! 10 Reasons to Stay Home 2013
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He discussed 2022 on the Livestream saying he'd probably never go back. The discussion starts at the 3:30 mark...



Now, I suppose, the challenge is getting the hell out of there. Although conditions are miserable, I suspect that the 2023 burn will be the one that attendees will most enjoy telling war stories about in the future.

If you went in there with a proper ATV or 4 wheel that wasn't over laden like a traveling neon circus wagon, you could probably get out through the mud. But looks like a lot of regular RVs are there plus all that other stuff.

I would encourage some enterprising helicopter companies to offer their services to fly out those who can afford it (probably most of the attendees).

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He discussed 2022 on the Livestream

Yes that's what Wizard said to me that '22 was a bad experience and that he did not plan to return to Burning Man.

Just heard from ol' Wiz. He is surviving, waiting for the rain to stop, the mud to harden, so buses may get people out.

You would need Army helicopters to get them out.

Hopefully Wiz will regale us with his tale when he returns.

Death investigated at Burning Man while 70,000 festival attendees remain stuck in Nevada desert after rain

“Burning Man is a community of people who are prepared to support one another,” Burning Man said on its website. “We have come here knowing this is a place where we bring everything we need to survive. It is because of this that we are all well-prepared for a weather event like this.”

Translation: We know it sucks but we're putting a positive spin on this. And you're not getting your money back.

What are the betting odds The Wiz says "I'm getting to old for this s+++", takes The Dawgs advice and stays home from now on?

Depends on what happened there, eh:?

"What happens at Burning Man..."

The FEMA story is fake news. As of 1 hour ago 70,000 people still trapped with more rain on the way. There was one death but there's no news about why it happened.

Conspiracy theorists love a good FEMA story... I remember the "FEMA death camp" and "FEMA coffin" one going around over 15 years ago.

Last week, a few of the alternative news sites reported that US Marines intercepted and destroyed a FEMA convoy taking bodies to be buried secretly in Hawaii.
There is little you can do to stop the Eddie Haskells of the world besides pity them.

I don't believe people who say COVID deaths are fake news, so calling the ebola or psuedo-ebola outbreak fake news is probably in the same vein.

@billryan. I saw all the news about Burning mudman and thought to check in on this forum because I seem to remember the owner tries to go every year. And since billryan is not red this week, and he mentioned tickets could be 2000.00 I checked the website. 1500. to 2750. are for FOMO, which I don't know what that is.

Btw Billy I hope you are well.

I did some simple un-proofed math since math is not my forte... I've posted the page after my comments in case people want to know actual costs if not discussed.

So if an est. 100,000 is close to the total of visitors, and main cost is 575.00 per person plus vehicle cost with 15,000 tickets available, that would mean someone is raking in maybe 8.6 Million in just main ticket sales, if only 5k car passes available thats another 750K in parking. This just one ticket package. We are not talking about some est of 70 million in donations? I'm assuming the other 45k are 'asked' to donate? Just who exactly does this money go to? I don't believe for a nanosecond that it all goes back to the event. How much does whatever acreage it is really cost to rent? And it would be logical to assume a huge number of vendors and artists who are not sponsored by coke or nvidia have to also pay fees and as I saw they do. As an event that started out based on my light research was a show against big corp and big energy and to be free of 'modern' rules and regs, it's a sad state of hypocritical affairs now. I also don't know the benefit of paying for a ticket. I guess range free to all events mostly?

Below is the page info with links and another link about donations, but the coop link seems a bit lax in fact checking. I see apparently another 10's of millions are processed in different packages.

2023


Black Rock City 2023 Ticket Information
GENERAL TICKET SALE INFO

Interested in going to Black Rock City 2023? Before you buy a ticket, be sure to read our Ticket Terms and Conditions. You’ll find them unlike those for any other event, especially some critical agreements related to image use, risk of injury or death, the prohibition of commercial activities, and other fun tidbits.

Please note: The numbers on this page are approximations. We are being conservative in our planning and adjustments will be made as needed. Ticket sale numbers don’t necessarily reflect BRC’s population.

All sales require registration through Burner Profiles. Make sure your Profile is complete, current, set up with your preferred email address, and that you know your log-in details.
Each sale has its own dedicated registration period.
Registering for a sale does not guarantee you access to a ticket or vehicle pass.
Anyone who successfully buys a ticket in one of our sales is ineligible to participate in all subsequent sales for the year, regardless of ticket price. The only exception to this is buyers in the FOMO Sale who may also participate in the Stewards Sale.
Unless otherwise stated, vehicle passes may only be purchased with an event ticket.
Unless expressly stated, only one order per person and per credit/debit card is allowed.
You may not use the same credit/debit card to purchase multiple orders.
MasterCard and Visa are the only credit/debit cards accepted.
Unless otherwise stated, all tickets bought through online sales are fully transferable and eligible for name changes.
Tickets and vehicle passes may only be resold for face-value, plus fees. Any tickets or vehicle passes being sold for above face-value plus fees may be canceled without notice or refund. See below for tips on fraud prevention and avoiding mark-up resellers.
You do not need to create an account with our ticketing partner in advance of, or during, the purchase process.


FOMO SALE

Registration: February 1, 2023 at 12pm (noon) PST – February 3, 2023 at 12pm (noon) PST

Sale starts: February 8, 2023 at 12pm (noon) PST

Approximately 4,000 tickets available, 1,000 at $2,750 each, and 3,000 at $1,500 plus applicable fees and taxes.
You may purchase up to two (2) tickets total and one (1) vehicle pass per order.
All items and orders purchased through this sale are subject to the taxes and fees listed below.
Buying tickets in the FOMO Sale disqualifies you from purchasing additional tickets in the Main Sale, STEP, or OMG Sale.

STEWARDS SALE

Form Open: February 22, 2023 at 12pm (noon) – March 3, 2023 at 12pm (noon) PST

Sale Period: March 8, 2023 at 12pm (noon) – March 10, 2023 at 12pm (noon) PST

Stewards Sale:

The Stewards Sale (formerly the Directed Group Sale) ensures that those critical to the culture of Burning Man: crews for theme camps, art installations, mutant vehicles, and Black Rock City infrastructure providers gain access to tickets. This program does not have an application process.
This sale requires group leads to invite their members for access to the sale. Those invited are guaranteed access to buy tickets during the 48-hour purchase window.
Each invitee may purchase up to two (2) tickets and one (1) vehicle pass in this sale.
Approximately 30,000 $575 tickets and 10,000 $150 vehicle passes will be available in this sale. Vehicle passes may not be purchased in excess of one vehicle pass per two tickets.
All items and orders purchased through this sale are subject to the taxes and fees listed below.
Participation in the Stewards Sale requires pre-registration through Burner Profiles.
Those who buy tickets in the Stewards Sale will be prevented from registering to buy in the Main Sale, STEP, and the OMG Sale.
Additional late season Stewards tickets may be available in the summer.

Community Action Initiatives Tickets:

We’re dedicating tickets to support work in important areas of community diversification (including R.I.D.E., under-represented art forms, adjacent communities, political diversity, international inclusion, etc.)
These $575 tickets will be distributed along with Vehicle Passes through existing internal processes.
For more information about tickets for individuals and groups supporting R.I.D.E., please review this FAQ or email ridetickets@burningman.org.

VEHICLE PASSES

All vehicles driving into Black Rock City are required to have a current vehicle pass displayed in the windshield. Motorcycles and towed vehicles are exempt from the vehicle pass requirement.
Vehicle passes do not allow a vehicle to drive within Black Rock City. When you reach your camp, you are expected to park your car for the duration.
Vehicle passes will be available in each of the ticket sales, but quantities are limited.
In all other sales, vehicle passes must be purchased in conjunction with event tickets and may not be purchased in excess of one vehicle pass per two tickets.
A limited number of vehicle passes will be available at $150 each, plus applicable fees.

MAIN SALE

Registration: April 5, 2023 at 12pm (noon) PDT – April 7, 2023 at 12pm (noon) PDT

Sale starts: April 12, 2023 at 12pm (noon) PDT

Approximately 15,000 tickets at $575 each, and approximately 5,000 vehicle passes available at $150 each, plus applicable fees and taxes.
You can buy a maximum of two (2) $575 tickets and one (1) $150 vehicle pass.
All items and orders purchased through this sale are subject to the taxes and fees listed below.
You can only register to buy tickets in the Main Sale if you have not previously bought tickets through the Stewards Sale, or the FOMO Sale.

But wait, there's more!

DELIVERY, FEES & TAXES

The 9% Nevada Live Entertainment Tax will be added to the price of all tickets.
All tickets and vehicle passes are subject to a $4 fee per item.
All orders are subject to a 3.4% credit card processing fee of the purchase subtotal.
The methods of delivery available are as follows:
Will Call: Pick up at the Black Rock City Box Office – $25
USA:
UPS 2nd Day Air – $25
Mail Innovations (USA – PO Boxes) – $15
Canada:
Mail Innovations (Canada) – $25
UPS Worldwide – $60
Delivery to Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, and The United Kingdom:
UPS Worldwide – $60

https://tickets.burningman.org/

https://coopwb.in/info/how-many-people-attend-burning-man-in-2023/

@tigerwu

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This is only a few seconds of video. We have no idea what happened before the video starts, or during the multiple cuts in the video.
I'm not going to defend either the cop or the protestors... I just said the cop was tired of their BS. If he gets in trouble for that, so be it.

One of the very few times I agree with you. People jumping conclusions to horrible documentation on vertical format that wouldn't show everything anyways.
Whomever posted the original in this case can post exactly what they want and only what they want to make a controlled and manipulated point.
I have not looked at the 'fuller' vid at this time so to make judgements about it is premature and likely way off.

Things like the FEMA rumor are meant of course to panic the people who are there they have nothing to do with us. A scare like that will spread like wildfire and people will panic and it will take hours before everybody knows the truth

There's enough PA systems to tell everyone there's an ongoing medical problem at the venue, so everybody shelter in place! Not sure if anything would short out from waterlogged and muddy stage equipment being turned on though.

1 person dead out of 70,000 for a week. Sounds pretty normal to me.

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1 person dead out of 70,000 for a week. Sounds pretty normal to me.
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I agree, especially with all of the drugs and dehydration going on.

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1 person dead out of 70,000 for a week. Sounds pretty normal to me.
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But it's the same guy who died last year, that's what so mysterious.

Here is an article from a guy somewhat in charge, explaining their background and legal structure.

They're essentially an LLC, with a curious side-provision.

https://burningman.org/about/history/brc-history/afterburn/04-2/financial_structure/

There's been a lot of rain out there in Vegas and the Southwest.
This video is from a year ago when the roads were washed out. Aug 10, 2022

The burning man, is as yet unburned. Suppose to be tonight.

This was 7 hours ago and fun was being had by everyone

If that is caliche soil, those folks are screwed. The slightest water turns it to deep mud, but then the sun dries it into a cement type mix.
Your car tires sink and then good luck getting them out without a tow.

Given that, what about someone currently stuck scraping out a sort of escape ramp in front of each tire, a gradual upward slope, to be used when it gets dry?

Also why is the Wiz's other site down but not this one?

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Also why is the Wiz's other site down but not this one?
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Different owners
The Wiz does not own this site but does own the other site.
No updates from him on FB regarding Burning Man

I see thousands of abandoned vehicles when that stuff dries, and insurance won't cover it because what clause would cover it?

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Quote: MrV

Also why is the Wiz's other site down but not this one?
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Different owners
The Wiz does not own this site but does own the other site.
No updates from him on FB regarding Burning Man
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I understand: but why would DT be down?

It's "his" baby, but why wouldn't it stay up even if he's at BM?

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I see thousands of abandoned vehicles when that stuff dries, and insurance won't cover it because what clause would cover it?
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I've been driving since 1965 and at one time or another I've been stuck in everything. Snow, sand, mud, and by far mud is the worst. I've seen a tow truck get stuck in mud trying to pull a car out and the tow truck that came to get him almost got stuck.

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I see thousands of abandoned vehicles when that stuff dries, and insurance won't cover it because what clause would cover it?
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I have a feeling a lot of people are just gonna have to leave vehicles and RV's behind, trek the 5 miles to the nearest tiny town and bussed to civilization. Come back when it really dries out which can be a week to weeks. Thousands of vehicles on soft ground not completely dried trying to exit out is going to be a nightmare. These RVs will be heavy with full black tanks. It could be a line of cars for 2 days getting out considering last year's 8 hour wait in traffic.

Quote: MrV

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Quote: MrV

Also why is the Wiz's other site down but not this one?
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Different owners
The Wiz does not own this site but does own the other site.
No updates from him on FB regarding Burning Man
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I understand: but why would DT be down?

It's "his" baby, but why wouldn't it stay up even if he's at BM?
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Sometimes computers crash and need to be rebooted. He probably doesn't have the ability or ambition to reboot it remotely while he is out camping.

Quote: MrV

Given that, what about someone currently stuck scraping out a sort of escape ramp in front of each tire, a gradual upward slope, to be used when it gets dry?

Also why is the Wiz's other site down but not this one?
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Airing down your tires to 8-12 pounds can substantially increase your traction in mud,sand,snow, gravel etc.
This is commonly done and common knowledge in the off roading world. So the next time you get the Volvo
stuck air em down buddy.