AZDuffman
Posted by AZDuffman
May 26, 2010

Learn to deal, see the world?

One reflection I picked up in delaer school that has me wanting to try again is that if you can deal you can work so many different places. We had instructors or students from three continents, and all over the USA. Gone are the days when a craps dealer could walk in and get hired, but the need is still there.

Consider it-where are there casinos? They are now in most US States and more every year. They are in Europe, on cruise ships, Austrailia, Carribean, Maccau, the list goes on. So put aside the need for a work permit for a moment and think about it. In 8 weeks you can learn to deal at least one game. You will be a break-in for 18-24 months, but as you get experience you are more employable everywhere.

There was no "typical" student in school which means there will not be "typical" dealers. "Hottie Pits" like at Caesars excepted what dealing is about is ability and personality. Anyone who has ever hired people to work with the public knows how hard the later is to find. Learn your games and the world might be yours.

I am a person who kind of needs to keep moving to see new places. What other job allows a person to work almost anywhere and with so little training, compared to other jobs with that flexibility. A cruise ship for a few years? Word is dealers do well there. Unlike many employees dealers usually get "deck privleges." Meaning off duty you can take advantage of most to all of what the guests get. Austrailia? I'd like to live there a few years maybe. Vegas? Sign me up.

At least that is the image I really see. Sure the job might get monotonous and boring, what doesn't. But where else can someone over 40 do all that?

Am I right?

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FleaStiff
FleaStiff May 26, 2010

One woman traveled the USA and then the world dealing dice. Not much money but enough to get by and still see the world. She was fairly young and adventurous anyway and considered it an extended vacation.



Cruise ships can be good money but you are considered sailors and there can be problems on some ships. Most of the news about crime aboard cruise lines is suppressed.



Its a tight job market now, but just how long are you going to put off your travel plans?

Wizard
Wizard May 27, 2010

Nurses can work pretty much anywhere too, and it is easy finding work.

AZDuffman
AZDuffman May 28, 2010

Agreeed, Wiz. A reason I hope my office building has a mixer one day and I can get a date with a nice gal from the nursing school downstairs. But education-wise the nurse will have way more time to learn her (or his) craft than the delaer.



What I find mildly funny is all these years femminists looked down at girls wanting to "settle" to be a nurse instead of say a doctor when being a nurse is probably one of the most employable professions in the USA.

AZDuffman
Posted by AZDuffman
May 24, 2010

Dealer School--what to know before you go

Well, I am over this spring cold and as promised will have some reflections on the whole dealer school thing. I am happy I tried it; happy I tried the hardest game; and would do it again. But if I did (or if you are thinking of dealer school) here is some random advice to make you more successful.

First, one of the most important things is cheque handling. I cannot stress enough that cheque handling is the first thing that will make or break you right from the start. So obtain 50-100 cheques for practice. Wal-Mart sells poker sets with all the cheques you will ever need for $20. For those who live near a casino you can simply buy what you need at the cage. The advantage of the first method is you will spend less at first and get clean cheques. The advangtage of the second is you are praticing with the real deal (real cheques are a gram or two more in weight, actually noticible.) You also get lots of colors for practicing payouts later. Buying at the cage means you can sell them back whenver you like. Whichever way you go, you need to practice handling 20 cheques in EACH hand at one time. At first your hand may even be sore, if so start with 18 or 17. But you must work your way up to 20. 20 is the standard for making change and buyins. Proper method is to cradle them between your ring, middle, and index finger.

Next, learn to "size" in cheques. Go to a casino and watch the BJ dealer. Or there may be some videos on youtube. Get to where you can do it blindfolded.

For those who are learniong craps, begin to memorize your "craps times tables." Whatever it takes, flashcards, quiz sheets,----go back to second grade times-tables mentality. But you are going to need to learn how to pay 3:2; 6:5, 7:5, 9:5, 2:3, 5:6, 5:7, and 5:9. Before I go again I will see to it that I have all payouts for all of these numbers memorized to 50 and preferebly 100. There are some shortcuts, but in the end you need to know. Anyone who made it past Algebra 1 should be able to do this if they put their mind to it.

Another simple thing is LEARN THE GAME YOU WILL BE LEARNING. In class I don't think 20% of people training were real "players." The instructor just said "few" when I asked what % he thought played before they took class. Some craps students had hardly seen a table much less played before class. Imagine learning to play and deal at the same time. I'm not saying to become one of those "Breaking Vegas" stories; but know the basic rules and strategy before signing up.

Finally, consider why you want to do this. You must like, or at least act like you like, people. You must want to learn everything about how to do it. You must like a loud atmosphere. You must never want to work a 9-5/M-F schedule since you never will. You must accept a varriable, tipped income. The training will be as tough as many college courses. Those who want to be dealers because they want to be dealers are miles ahead of those who "want a job." Like myself you may not make it the first go-round.

Well, that is "Know Before you Go." Any questions about speciffics I am happy to answer. Any advice as to how to memorize "craps times tables" I welcome.

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DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear May 24, 2010

Thanks for reviving this topic. Great info.





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Some craps students had hardly seen a table much less played before class. Imagine learning to play and deal at the same time.

Kinda like learning to drive on a manual transmission car. I have no idea how people used to do that!





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Like myself you may not make it the first go-round.

"First" go-round? Sounds like you've got a second go-round in your future, and that future isn't too far off.



What's the scoop?

And good luck with that!

AZDuffman
AZDuffman May 25, 2010

I probably have another go-round in me. Since I will have to pay next time I may try BJ first. Won't be until Jan '11 or so but odds are >50/50. What could derail it? If the poker room turns into an aquariam where I can feast then I would delay trying. But I work in home mortgages, a feast-or-fammine business. Not a bad idea to have a backup to that.

FleaStiff
FleaStiff May 25, 2010

I would think that those who want to deal poker should practice with poker chips whereas those who want to deal dice should practice with actual casino chips or else pseudo casino chips of the exact same size and weight as the real thing.



That electronically downloadable DVD is said to show the mechanics of sizing into a bet and drop cutting, but I don't know if it actually does show it or whether it shows it well.



There are Keys to paying off the odds bets and the place bets and the Prop bets. Those keys are set forth at on the web. I think the Keys are expressed as numbers to calculate dollar amounts and also as numbers of chips.



I've heard that one dice dealer use to take a certain bet ... and on his drive home would figure the payout on the three digits of each license plate he saw. So he got alot of practice calculating breakage amounts. Don't know if that makes sense of not. One dice dealer said the most important part of it all was his taking a cheap piece of felt and handling stacks of chips at home instead of watching TV or something.



It sounds like you enjoyed the experience but it also sounds like you want to take another whack at it, perhaps when you have a bit more study time available to you. Good luck.

AZDuffman
AZDuffman May 25, 2010

***I would think that those who want to deal poker should practice with poker chips whereas those who want to deal dice should practice with actual casino chips or else pseudo casino chips of the exact same size and weight as the real thing. ***



I don't know if there is any difference between the poker room cheques and the "floor" cheques. Poker dealers don't need to handle the cheques nearly as well since they rake and push the whole pot.



***That electronically downloadable DVD is said to show the mechanics of sizing into a bet and drop cutting, but I don't know if it actually does show it or whether it shows it well.***



You will need to watch and not "read" how to do it. I've tried to explain it to a few people and it is hard enough to explain by talking. I will not even try to type out how to do it, doing so will hurt and not help anyone who reads it.







***I've heard that one dice dealer use to take a certain bet ... and on his drive home would figure the payout on the three digits of each license plate he saw. So he got alot of practice calculating breakage amounts. Don't know if that makes sense of not. One dice dealer said the most important part of it all was his taking a cheap piece of felt and handling stacks of chips at home instead of watching TV or something.



It sounds like you enjoyed the experience but it also sounds like you want to take another whack at it, perhaps when you have a bit more study time available to you. Good luck.***



Yes, that makes sense. In fact it is a good idea because no matter what kind of setup youi do for yourself it never random and you are always figuring payouts as you make up bets. I was cheque handling as I watched TV, read, or whatever. After a few weeks it became almost a habit and relaxing. My hands still want to do the motiong.



Thanks for the wish of luck. See above my constraints on trying again and stay tuned for more thoughts on why I will try again.

DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear May 26, 2010

Quote:

***I would think that those who want to deal poker should practice with poker chips whereas those who want to deal dice should practice with actual casino chips or else pseudo casino chips of the exact same size and weight as the real thing. ***



I don't know if there is any difference between the poker room cheques and the "floor" cheques. Poker dealers don't need to handle the cheques nearly as well since they rake and push the whole pot.

Poker rooms use the same chips as the floor. There may be additional denominations for certain games, but the regular denominations are the same as the ones on the floor.



A poker dealer doesn't have to be able to handle chips the same way dealers on the floor do. Oh, sure, they have to be able to change cash accurately, make small change as needed, and take the rake, but that's simple stuff.



In most poker rooms, players get their initial buy-in chips from the cage not the dealer. When a player leaves the table, they are not allowed to color-up. The only time a player gets chips from the dealer is if they need to re-load.





A poker dealer has to be able to run the game properly. Unlike mistakes on the floor, where a floorperson can simply be generous to fix things, poker is player vs player. Mistakes can't be 'fixed' in the same manner. I've seen, more times than I care to count, dealer mistakes that alter the hand to the point where would-be winners end up losing, or winning less than they would have, as well as dealers that thought a winning hand was a loser.





The best poker dealers are poker players. I.E. People who know how devastating a mistake can be, as well as knowing to shut the f--- up. Except when they are shuffling and dealing, poker dealers shouldn't say a thing unless asked a question.

Malaru
Malaru May 26, 2010

One of my only problems that keeps me out of wanting to learn ot be a dealer is every every ad I see for dealers it says previous experiance is a must. What motivation is that for me ot go thru school if I have never delt before? :(

AZDuffman
Posted by AZDuffman
May 19, 2010

Advice to graduating college seniors. (off topic)

Written by myself.

Some of you are now or have just graduated college and congratulations to you. Below is my commencement address and advice:

You all have made it all the way! This is something to be proud of indeed. Now, maybe you are expecting "some dude to rush up and offer you a job!" Unlikely to happen, but you will soon enter the workforce. Welcome to the real world--next exit 40 years. But seriously, I have been where you are and I have hired people like you before. So instead of a pep talk, I will give you the most direct 10 career points no one else will dare give,

1. I'm your new boss and have been at my company for some time now, maybe 10 years or more. I have more years experience than you have months. I'm not interested in your ideas on how the operation should be run. We survived before you and we most likely will be here after you. You will be given a job to do and I expect it to be done. It will probably be unsexy, repetitive, and boring. I still need it done. Do it right and I may ask you for suggestions, that is the time to say. Don't be offended if I do not use your ideas.

2. I'm your boss. B-O-S-S. I am not one of your college professors. When we have a meeting I am not looking for you to challenge my ideas. Unless I say it is a brainstorming session, the purpose of the meeting is for you to listen to how I want things done.

3. This is a job, not college. Attendance is mandatory. You do not get "3 cuts" before you get your grade lowered. You want to party on a Wednesday night I damn well expect you in the office at 100% on Thursday morning.

4. You don't yet even know what you don't know. Your degree here just proves you are able to learn and will stick to something. Learning my business might mean working at a dirty, stinky job in a uniform. I expect you to do that.

5. Your classes might have mentioned all these wonderful things companies offer like "flex time" and "telecommuting." You will not be doing that. Most jobs do not work with telecommuting and the people that get that privilege have been with me for years. Flex time must still be worked around the needs of the business.

6. It is going to be a year before you get to take a week's vacation. When that does happen don't expect Christmas week and don't expect the day after Thanksgiving off, either. My senior employees have that off. You might even be given a calendar of just the weeks available and asked what you prefer.

7. If you are very lucky you might be getting a company car. Expect a Ford or Chevy and expect it to be very plain, possibly used. Senior execs get the Cadillacs, Audis and BMWs. You are not a senior exec.

8. Sooner or later you will meet my boss. If you want an easier job, keep my boss off my back. When you talk with my boss, keep it light. Let him ask the questions. Talk about sports, the weather, whatever but DO NOT APPEAL MY DECISIONS TO MY BOSS-EVER! There is a chain of command and when you break it, it causes all kinds of issues.

9. I don't care about your self-esteem. I don't have time for giving you constant feedback. I care only that you provide me and my department more in output than you are being paid. You graduated college, you are smart enough to know when you are not pulling the cart but rather riding in it.

10. You have your degree, but see that guy over there? He is not interested in getting my job, but he knows his up and down. People in the plant look to him for leadership. He has been doing his job longer than you have been alive, sport. Want to lose his and every body's respect in an instant?! Just go over there and explain how he is doing it all wrong.

Well, class, that is all I have time for. Work just keeps one so busy, but you will see what I mean in no time. God Bless America

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konceptum
konceptum May 19, 2010

I like this, and perhaps it should be put into a laminated pamphlet and handed to college graduates along with their diploma!



Perhaps the only one I (only slightly) disagree with is #2. I'm always willing to listen to people's ideas, even if I think they are wrong. Sometimes new innovations come, not necessarily from what someone else's idea is, but from something that idea sparks. Also, sometimes we get into ruts where we are doing something just because "that's the way it's always been done".



I might change number 2: I am your boss, not a college professor. I do things the way they are done, not to annoy you, but because of certain reasons that you may not even know about. I encourage you to ask questions, and present ideas, but do not get discouraged if I don't like your ideas, or if I have reasons to not accept them. But if I do tell you to do things a certain way, make sure you do them that way.

AZDuffman
AZDuffman May 20, 2010

@konceptum--yes, #2 come off a bit harsh but it is supposed to be a bit of satire. Here is why my point is made as it is. We keep reading about "teams" and "worker input." Well, when I first ran a place one guy actually said, "hey, don't you read that companies are seeking worker input these days?" Problem was he wasn't getting his work done which was costing me money and he was there barely a few months which was kind of the "why" as you said. Then at meetings sometimes I'd be giving training and be told, "Wouldn't this work better?" I agree that there are times a fresh face has a new idea, but too many grads and MBA grads come in with the idea they are some Lou Gerstner brought in to save IBM and the current management is clueless. Current management may struggle and may even need to be changed but is probably not clueless.

konceptum
konceptum May 20, 2010

One other thing I thought of: My freshman year in college, I had a class where we got put into teams and assigned a programming project. About a month into the project, some of the teams must have been having difficulty. In class, the professor said that he had gotten some complaints about people on projects not pulling their weight, and that this might have a negative effect on grades. His response? Tough. "In the real world, you are often put into teams with other co-workers who may or may not do their fair share of the work. You have no choice on what teams you are put on. You can either quit your job, or suck it up and make sure that the work assigned to the group gets done." This was the only professor I ever had who approached group assignments in this manner. I think some graduating college students (mainly those without job experience) have this misconception that everybody in the working world will pull their own weight. As those of us with job experience knows, this isn't always true. I think graduating college students should be told that sometimes they will have to, and be expected to, do more work than they are being paid for. Sometimes that leads to better job opportunities, and other times it just leads to long days at the office. :)

DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear May 20, 2010

AZ -



WOW. That was dead on perfect.





Quote: AZDuffman

Welcome to the real world--next exit 40 years.

That little phrase is probably the scariest and most honest thing in the entire speech.



I'd like to hear some well-respected honoree read that at a graduation.







Quote: konceptum

I think some graduating college students (mainly those without job experience) have this misconception that everybody in the working world will pull their own weight. As those of us with job experience knows, this isn't always true.

'Not always true'? How about never true!



There's a joke about it here at my job. "How many people work at ___?"



A lot of customers know the punch line: "About half of them."







Quote: konceptum

I think graduating college students should be told that sometimes they will have to, and be expected to, do more work than they are being paid for.

That's covered in #9.

AZDuffman
AZDuffman May 20, 2010

@ One other thing I thought of: My freshman year in college, I had a class where we got put into teams and assigned a programming project. About a month into the project, some of the teams must have been having difficulty. In class, the professor said that he had gotten some complaints about people on projects not pulling their weight, and that this might have a negative effect on grades. His response? Tough







I had a college prof, my best prof in fact, she had a policy on this. You were assigned teams but you could be "fired" from a team. I don't remember but am sure there was at least a warning first. But if you were fired you then had to get another team to take you on. She said right off that you would be asking to be "hired" as a known deadbeat. No one was ever "fired" but one "quit" and went to another team. It was very effective knowing if you were fired you would not be able to pass. Not that I needed the motivation but some do.

justaguy
justaguy Jun 02, 2010

So right on! I agree who heartedly and I'm on the younger side, working entry level and in the middle of getting my 2nd BA (already have one in business management, and have been working on a 2nd in hospitality management for ages.)



If I had it to do over again or if I could get a fresh out of high school kid to listen to me. I'd advocate learning a trade (you know the kind of things that are free/cheap and quick to learn in a community college) and working that until you are 24 and then consider traditional college. First off they'd learn real world actual work experience, 2nd they would earn an income they can save, 3rd after 24 financial aid is based on your income + assets versus your parents (I think it's absurd that college financial aid automatically assumes mommy and daddy will foot the bill) and it is much easier to get +EV things like the pell grant.



The thing that turned me off most about college (I took way longer than 4 years for my first degree and paid for much of it out of my own pocket after disappointing my parents) was the other students. There outlook on the work world was far to rosy and they were way to entitled. I remember one class where the professor played a mock game of "Deal or No Deal" (kinda childish), and offered student/contestants entry level positions with starting salary and benefits ect. It was disconcerting how many would "no deal", laugh, and scoff at $25,000, $30,000, and even $40,000 staring pay offers for fresh out of college entry level positions. I hope my classmates got a reality check when the economy burst in real life. College has become far too much of a fantasy, fun, party time, live it up while you can, and I/my financial aid/my parents pay my tuition so I'm entitled (basically buying) the right to pass/get good grades with little to no work and just by having the piece of paper at the end I deserve a huge salary place. Not a place for people who really want to learn something. I like it much better now, I have a "real" job, own my own home, pay my own bills, I go to class keep my mouth shut for the most part, get good grades (haven't ever had less than a 4.0 in this program) and laugh silently in my head about all the over optimistic, entitled, immature silliness all around me.



I think we had it more correct in the past when kids fresh out of high school went straight to the work force, or even more so in renaissance times when kids were taught a trade early on.

AZDuffman
Posted by AZDuffman
May 15, 2010

Post Class Thoughts, p1--general rambnlings.

Wow--thanks for all support. Really. With a day and a half to think I have some thoughts ont he whole thing. If we discuss them a little it may help anyone else planning to follow this path.

First I am not "sad" about the whole thing but rather focusing on the positives. Two Months ago I beat out 80%+ of the people for the chance to even get into the class. Then I decided to do not what is easy (BJ) but what is hard (craps.) Next I gained a working knowlege of how to deal craps, not a bad thing at all. After that I made a casino connection or two. One in particular said right out to take a community college course and come back. Finally, I didn't quit. About 1/4 of the people there on day 1 DID quit. Either directly or just sort of stopped showing up.

I said going in that I would try craps because worst case was that I would learn the game and know how do deal Monte Carlo Nights, which still meant more cash in my pockets. I haven't informed my contacts (I need a break and it is slow season for them in any case) but will in about a week. One of those places said directly they will need a craps dealer.

Another side benefit is I have a blog to point to if some chance ever falls into my lap. Unlikely that will happen, but people win the mega-million slots all the time so why not?

I attribute my failure to lack of study time. Not that I didn't try, but my day was wake up at 7:00 or so, leave a job at 5:30, head to class. Maybe 30 mins free time to study or eat. Then class 7-11PM, head hits the pillow at midnight or later. Repeat daily.

Then there is the fact that I started a new day job literally the second day of class. It is at a good place you know. The day I got cut we were in some kind of conversation with the instructor (the one who was best and said, "try again") and when he heard where I worked said, "what on earth are you doing here?" I said I was looking for weekend\PT work at least at first. Funny that, another of the people on-the-bubble (no idea if she got cut or not) said where she worked and it was just as much a "prestige" place.

I wish I heard the "eye sequence" thing earlier. Would have made at least some difference. Maybe there is an "eye sequence" thing for the base dealers as well?

I am not "barred" from this casino. (see above.) In fact I would bet if you removed all dealers who failed a first audition you would lose almost half the dealers on the strip and more elsewhere. With a second casino very local and two within 80 miles anything is possible.

Keep the feedback comments coming, guys. I still have material to post. Anyone interested in hearing thoughts on "Deal and See the World," "Craps Class-What to Know Before You Go," and my thoughts on how class *should* be taught?

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gambler
gambler May 15, 2010

I personally think that you should try again, after you take some time to practice at home. There is an interesting website called www.dicedealer.com. They have some excellent information and advice from actual dice and table game dealers. Sadly, their forums are rarely used, and when they are, it sounds like most of the craps dealers are burned out.

FleaStiff
FleaStiff May 16, 2010

Don't feel bad about missing the fact that the number which was rolled was the Point. We've probably all been at tables where after several rolls the Box notices those Hockey Pucks are on different numbers. One of the dealers "lit up" the wrong number despite the stick's call and neither the crew nor the players noticed it.

RonC
RonC May 16, 2010

Yes, I am interested in hearing more. I am sorry that your budding "career" has been cut short at this point, but I would encourage trying again.



As in every job, there are some "book smart" (maybe in this case "dice smart") people who make it to the end of the process and get the job. Their excellence in the school situation quickly turns to failure in the actual job situation for whatever reason. There will also be people who are good enough but just don't like the job. There will be openings--probably quicker than you expect.



Whether you try again or not, I'd love to hear more of the story. It has been an interesting read.



Thanks!!

odiousgambit
odiousgambit May 16, 2010

"my thoughts on how class *should* be taught?"



yes, especially that!

DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear May 16, 2010

Nice to know you still have options elsewhere, and possibilities at that casino.





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"Craps Class-What to Know Before You Go,"

I assume you're talking about dealer school. Um, isn't that already covered in this blog?





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and my thoughts on how class *should* be taught?

I get the feeling you mean how the dealer training should be handled. All I will say is: Think before you post.





On the other hand, if you mean the 'lessons' offered to potential players...



As you know, I started a thread titled Free Craps lessons can be worse than worthless, so, YEAH!, I'm interested!

FleaStiff
FleaStiff May 18, 2010

I understand that the sequence of events is important. You always start with taking losing bets, but you pay off in a certain order despite those fleas all screaming pay me at once. A players DontPass Odds bet has to be positioned by him so that the dealer will first encounter the Odds bet and that odds bet has to be able to "breathe", meaning that the BoxMan wants to see a bit of space clearly separating the Don'tPassOddsbet and the DontPass flat bet. Yet such things can only be attended to at certain times and with designated hands. The base dealers have an eye scan as well as the stickman having an eyescan. The Box and the Floor look for exceptional behavior ... that is why so much detail goes into the procedures manuals.



I guess its hard for the instructors to include everything in the class materials.

AZDuffman
AZDuffman May 18, 2010

@Fleastiff--actually the problem I saw was they ended up including too much at one time. My "imporvements" are not directed at bad teaching, but are a different sort of method for it. I promise to get my post-clsss ideas and thoughts out soon, but I have been sick this week and just don't feel able to make a quality post.

AZDuffman
Posted by AZDuffman
May 13, 2010

All good things must come to an end,

By the title you might have guessed--I missed this weeks cut. Happened about an hour before I wrote this. I have that mix of feelings you get after a big stress is removed, even if for bad. I have some reflections tonight. If you folks want I'll post over the next week or two my thoughts on the whole process and what one might want to do the same or different if you decide to give it a go.

For the person who said "stick calls are important" it is so right. No excuse, but the person calling when I dealt on second base was terrible and I know it affected me. On my own stick calls I kept missing the "winner" roll. Call it a bundle of nerves. Again I blame only myself. But when I look back on the whole thing I try to focus on the positives:

First, I didn't shy away from the hardest game. What I learned will make me a better player and person. I never quit, many people just stopped showing up to class which felt much smaller than day 1. Instead of taking BJ which I have little doubt I could pass I took something new.

Second, I made a few casino connections. If I decide to work in a nongaming or other capacity I am known. If I take a BJ course at our local community college I will be remembered.

Third even though I didn't pass an audition, I HAVE A WORKING KNOWLEGE OF CRAPS! I deal Monte Carlo Nights and now I can put in for that. One company I work for is soon losing their craps dealer, which could mean a sweet fall/holiday season of gigs.

Finally, blogging here showed me my life is interesting enough that even a few people seem to care. Thanks all! And let me know if you want the advice columns.

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Malaru
Malaru May 13, 2010

Im sorry to hear it man. I was one of those who enjoyed reading the life of the craps dealer. It seems a little crappy (no pun intended) that they just give you the boot instead of putting your talents to work at other games which all youd have had to do was prove you alreayd know the rutine.

gambler
gambler May 13, 2010

Sorry to hear about that. This was one of the most interesting blogs.

FleaStiff
FleaStiff May 14, 2010

It ain't over till its over!

And all that has happened is ONE instructor in ONE casino has told you that its over!



Now the job market right now is not the way it used to be in Vegas when a dice dealer could simply walk across the street and be hired the same day he was fired, but I think you should remember that It Ain't Over Till Its Over.



If you still want to do it, I think its doable. All they said to you was "it ain't doable here".



You want to practice your stick calls and continue?



By the way what do mean by you kept missing the winner? Pilots have eye-scan training to make sure they focus on the correct instruments in a particular sequence. Stickmen are supposed to have the same thing. The puck, the dice, the call. If your scan sequence is correct you can't miss the fact that its a winning roll.



So have a drink and take a moment to decide...

its doable ... but is it what you want? After all, getting rattled by that other student... that might be bad!

FleaStiff
FleaStiff May 14, 2010

There is a practice mat, a video on Press Moves and some chips ... 85.00 I think.

There is also a downloadable DVD of some sort on craps dealing.



I've no idea how good these items are. I know the various Vegas community college classes are fairly cheap and generally considered better than the highly advertised dealer schools.



It ain't over till its over!

Croupier
Croupier May 14, 2010

Unlucky my friend. I have no doubt that you have the skills to go far in the business if you wanted to, as your attitude seems to be exactly as required.



As you said, it could lead to further progession in your current career, which gives you more practice and experience should you ever go for a casino job in the future.



Best of luck regarding the Monte Carlo Craps position.

Niblick
Niblick May 14, 2010

Ditto to FleaStiff. Remember, Jerry Glanville got rid of Brett Favre and some JV coach cut Michael Jordan. Favre/Jordan are Hall of Famers, the other two don't look so bright.



You clearly have enjoyed yourself. It sure seems like they erred and not you.



I, for one, hope you continue, in some way shape or form, on your adventure.

DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear May 14, 2010

Does this mean you have no possible future at that casino?



Maybe, after the initial opening and shakedown, things will be different.



Yeah, I'm real curious to know what exactly happened, although I certainly will understand if you don't want to make it public.





When is that casino's table games supposed to open? It might not be a bad idea to patronize it, and to play at their craps tables, etc...





whatever your future endeavors may be, best of luck.

FleaStiff
FleaStiff May 14, 2010

Most casinos over hire for an opening and then re-adjust when they find out what the players will want and also which employees over-stated their backgrounds and abilities or simply don't work out for a variety of reasons. I understand that very few casinos will wash someone out of a training class and then admit that they made a mistake.



It could just be that having spoken to him the previous week about stick calls they wanted to see some improvement and didn't see any.



Its all rather whimsical.



I'd suggest again considering that download-DVD and similar items.

RaleighCraps
RaleighCraps May 15, 2010

Damn. Say it ain't so.

I was living vicariously through your blog. I love the game, and am quick with mental math, but was not sure I would ever care to deal craps. Your experience was giving me some great insight into dealing craps, and I was starting to think maybe this might make a fun second career for me. And now back to the regularly scheduled reality.........

As with the others, I too am still very interested in your thoughts on the whole process and anything else you care to share on this experience. Best of luck and chin up!