Are These Results Fairly Possible Betting On Outside Bets

Hi, as a Newbie I was hoping for your thoughts please. I was playing European Single '0' Roulette, (2.63% house edge), on the Live Dealer Casino offering from Evolution and broadcast live from Riga, Latvia. The table also offered La partage which was particularly attractive, when hitting zero and having half your stake returned, effectively reducing the house edge to just 1.315% I had a quick look at my play history and I had 87spins of which I only won 32. All spins where played on the even money outside bets, with different even money betting positions chosen each time, eg Black this spin and maybe Odd the next after etc. I had not one BUT 2 occasions where I went 11 straight spins without a win. I also went 7spins without a win and various 5, 4 and 3spin sequences. As I use a variation of bet doubling, this cost me quite alot of money. I was playing in the early hours of the morning when no one else was playing the table. My question is, with 2 sets of 11 spins without a win in only 87games and various other casino favouring sequences, is the wheel fair or is it just very poor luck on my part? Thanks Gary.

Since you were mixing up your 1-1 bets, I can only conclude that you have terrible luck.

11 losses out of 11 trials = (1-.4865)^11 = .000655 Edited calculation- thanks to Jufo

32 wins in 87 trials = binomial[ P=.4865, n = 87, x = 32] = .00735

32 or less wins = .01708

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Since you were mixing up your 1-1 bets, I can only conclude that you have terrible luck.

Someone has to be the unluckiest one. Sorry OP, it seems you were chosen :p

32 wins or less in 87 trials is 1 in 58 event, so not very rare.

Matildas number for the 11 losses was wrong. The odds for that are: (19/37)^11 = 0.000655. To observe two sequences of 11 losses in 87 trials is very roughly a 1 in 2500 event.

As a precaution I would advise to play that game only if there are other players there as well because if everyone is betting on a different outcome, it would be harder for them to rig the game.

Quote: matilda

11 losses out of 11 trials = .4865^11 = .00036

32 wins in 87 trials = binomial[ P=.4865, n = 87, x = 32] = .00735

32 or less wins = .01708

Translation: Probably just bad luck. If you play thousands of spins and don't mix up your bet, then we might be able to evaluate the fairness of the wheel.

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Quote: matilda

11 losses out of 11 trials = .4865^11 = .00036

32 wins in 87 trials = binomial[ P=.4865, n = 87, x = 32] = .00735

32 or less wins = .01708

Translation: Probably just bad luck. If you play thousands of spins and don't mix up your bet, then we might be able to evaluate the fairness of the wheel.

I disagree. I think it's impossible to know whether it is bad luck or a cheating casino. It's an electronic wheel and the casino has no oversight or reason to make a fair wheel. This is precisely why I do not play on internet casinos.

It may be bad luck, it may be cheating. But I don't think it's fair to say "probably just bad luck". Just my opinion...

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I disagree. I think it's impossible to know whether it is bad luck or a cheating casino. It's an electronic wheel and the casino has no oversight or reason to make a fair wheel. This is precisely why I do not play on internet casinos.

It may be bad luck, it may be cheating. But I don't think it's fair to say "probably just bad luck". Just my opinion...

Maybe I misunderstood. I thought that this was a physical table and live video is streaming of actual results.

Latvia? I think they would break the dealer's kneecaps if it were a physical casino, they probably have similar intentions if the programmer lets you win.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and calculations!! It is indeed a real wheel with a real dealer. The feed comes live via the internet. It's a relatively new concept, which all the bookmakers here in the UK have latched onto. Nearly all the major bookmakers have a link to the studios. The bookmaker that I linked through is one of the biggest, Paddy Power, (www.paddypower.com). There are lots of blackjack tables, baccarat tables and a couple of Roulette wheels. I'm certainly hoping it's just bad luck, as no one likes to lose their money through scamming. It was the length of the sequences going against me that raised an eyebrow. Evolution gaming are the people behind the idea and for what it's worth it does seem a great idea - well especially if you win lol. At the card tables the cards are shuffled live in front of you and all the dealers are attractive english speaking, Latvian girls. But I suppose being in a studio anything is possible.

Those live dealers spinning a real wheel exist solely because of the public perception that virtual casinos are likely to be even more rigged than a legitimate bricks casino. Of course it might be a pre-recorded dealer smiling and spinning the wheel but its probably legit if not actually "live".

Color Changing Card Trick illustration of selective attention.

It is definitely Live, as you can chat with the dealer as you play. You type and she speaks back. But yes, I agree there is something doesnt feel quite right playing against a RNG, which is why I thought the live feed of a real wheel felt better :)

Hi, I found a youtube video of the very Roulette wheel i was playing at. You can see the guy move around the table with his mouse pointer highlighting various areas of the table to place bets. The girl is also chatting with a player. You can also view the wheel from a closer angle which he demonstrates. Hope this gives a better idea of the playing concept. I think it will have to be copied and pasted to your browsers address bar:)

Ok, I misunderstood. It's probably legit, and you were just unlucky. It happens.

Thats one of the phoniest looking live setups I've seen.
Losing 11 times in a row on an outside bet is a real
accomplishment. And you were doubling on some of
the bets. From my experience with online casinos, this
often sends a message to the computer to screw you
over, online casinos do not like progression players.