12 numbers once?
Yeah, yeah 'chasing numbers'. Ok, we got that out of the way (ROFL).
Ken
Quote: thecesspitThe 12 units are all on different numbers on 1 spin. Unless I misunderstand mrjjj.
You are correct.
Ken
Quote: SOOPOOI think I have what Ken is looking for. If I had to play roulette, I would bet on 12 different numbers on one spin. So I would quickly turn my $12 into either $0 or $35. Betting 1 number 12 times in a row will yield $0 more frequently. I am willing to give up the possibility of hitting the number more than once during the 12 roll sequence. This way I can get to the game I really want to play sooner. What kind of restaurant, Ken? Are you willing to share its name?
The $35 is gross but still, you at least answered. Also, this experiment would not be done over hundreds of trials. I only made the point (I think) with one option, you can only get one win. With a different option (B), its POSSIBLE to get two hits.
Its Italian (half owner) and the question regarding THE NAME is part set-up from goofball Keyser. (lol) No, I wont say the name ONLY BECAUSE we all should know why. Think hard. I/we would be getting too many *67 calls. I know it would happen. Keyser will chime in on this and thats fine. The guy is a hack because he cant make it in the real world of roulette play, pity. He's a rookie player with wild claims of fame. Few believe his bulls**t and thats a good thing.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjIts a shame I have to keep breaking this down but I will. (BTW...'gross' is correct)
Lets stick to only ONE question shall we? (lol)
So option 'B', its possible to win (gross) more than option 'A'. >>> YES or NO?
Ken
If you can't understand my answer to that already, there's no hope for further communication on this subject. I have answered this already, in a previous post. But to repeat myself :
Yes, you can win more with B than A.
I thought you were asking a new question, to which I replied as well (you asked whats the difference to the math as they are supposed to be the same).
B is a 12 spin bet. A is a one spin bet. There in lies a DIFFERENCE.
I agree with Cesspit. Yes, you can win more with B than A. However, it's still not going to help you win in the long run. This is basically what everyone is trying to tell you. Your latest system won't help you dig out of your current hole, regardless of how you play it.
Best of luck.
Ken
Quote: KeyserMr. Jjj,
I agree with Cesspit. Yes, you can win more with B than A. However, it's still not going to help you win in the long run. This is basically what everyone is trying to tell you. Your latest system won't help you dig out of your current hole, regardless of how you play it.
Best of luck.
The question is not based on anything I'm working on AND I dont play systems, I play methods. Post that 400 times and I'll never get bored correcting you 400 times. No problem cupcake. You mentioned the 'long run'. This question also has *NOTHING* to do with the 'long run' but nice try.
Ken
Simple answer, please.
Quote: thecesspitWhats the difference between a system and a method?
Simple answer, please.
The number of times I have answered that!! (lol)
(In my opinion).....A system IMPLIES that it is infallible, it is a winner over 749 billion spins.
A method is more of a strategy, a DECENT way to play. You will FOR SURE have losing days or weeks. If that method does not do 'well' over many months, kick it to the side and NEVER play it again. If it has a couple flaws, do your best to tweak/correct those flaws.
Ken
Sorry, but you don't have a winning "method/system" to beat the game of roulette. You would be better off if you kept your day job and spent less time searching for a system to beat the random game of roulette.
Quote: mrjjjNo poll, I hate polls. What is your choice...'A' or 'B' or its the SAME and WHY?
Ken
Holy cats. My choice, for the third time....
Quote: FaceIf you were to ask me Friday which was 'better', when I just want to get home and see my kid, I'd say the one roll option because I'd have no interest in playing roulette. Limiting my time exposed to something I don't like would be 'better' to me.
If you were to ask me Sunday, when I want/need some money to go fishin', I'd say it'd be 'better' to bet the 12 seperate rolls as there's an improved chance of winning more money.
And another, more specific reply, given an hour later...
Quote: FaceIf I got a free play for 12 units, I'd throw them all on one roll because I don't care for roulette. I'd just want to get it over with and possibly have something to show for it. If I got the same free 12 units but had a need or desire to turn it into something bigger, I'd go for the 12 spins.
In case it 'being free' changes things, and for some reason I had to use my own personal money, I'd still pick the one roll because I don't like tossing money away. I'd rather have a higher chance at winning a little than a low chance of winning a lot. I'd only do the 12 spins if I was flat broke and desperate (I have $12 to my name and need airline fair TODAY or I get fired) or some other ridiculously desperate situation.
I answered what I thought was 'better' in a given situation. I answered what I'd do on a random day. I answered why I'd do what I would do. I didn't address the "SAME or WHY" portion, so no, they're not the same, because in A you have X chance to lose 12 or be up 35, and B you have >X chance to lose 12 or be up 400ish. And just in case this old standby pops up again, my game of choice is Forza 3 for the Xbox.
So how about my question? Why are you asking what we'd do? C'mon warmwind. Be a sport.
Quote: KeyserMr. Jjj,
Sorry, but you don't have a winning "method/system" to beat the game of roulette. You would be better off if you kept your day job and spent less time searching for a system to beat the random game of roulette.
Thanks for your opinion, I appreciate it. At least I have the nuts to post whats on my mind. I dont WAIT around for others to post, only to attack them. Any idiot with a GED can do what you do Snowman. Isn't the 14 hitting alot on table 6 in Toledo? (ROFL) Time to take a drive? (ROFL)
Ken
Quote: FaceHoly cats. My choice, for the third time....
And another, more specific reply, given an hour later...
I answered what I thought was 'better' in a given situation. I answered what I'd do on a random day. I answered why I'd do what I would do. I didn't address the "SAME or WHY" portion, so no, they're not the same, because in A you have X chance to lose 12 or be up 35, and B you have >X chance to lose 12 or be up 400ish. And just in case this old standby pops up again, my game of choice is Forza 3 for the Xbox.
So how about my question? Why are you asking what we'd do? C'mon warmwind. Be a sport.
Ok...thats cool. In the future, its hypothetical. I dont care about kids, free drinks, not having interest in roulette, limiting your time, fishing, flat broke, desperate etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. (lol) Geez, talk about DODGING.
Why I asked? Only to get different views. Whenever I read certain roulette posts, I sleep like a baby. I actually go to bed with a clear mind and I enjoy patting myself on the back. (lol) Take Keyser for example. The very fact that I know the guy is an idiot, makes me look damn good and I sleep well at night. Speaking of that, its 2:15, almost that time.
Ken
Quote: KeyserWhy are "system" players always so arrogant? The roulette system designers have to be the worst offenders of all.
Assuming you are correct, I'm not sure? Why not ask a bunch of system players and post their answers here?
Ken
Quote: MarieBicurieBoth bets are a waste of time, just like this thread.
Then dont read it or reply to it. Problem solved. I have HIGH respect for the ones that did reply.
Ken
Quote: mrjjjThen dont read it or reply to it. Problem solved. I have HIGH respect for the ones that did reply.
Ken
I don't need your respect even though I answered your question.
Since the original question has been answered fully on the first page of this thread, I'd like to address the difference between "system" and "method".Quote: mrjjj(In my opinion).....A system IMPLIES that it is infallible, it is a winner over 749 billion spins.
A method is more of a strategy, a DECENT way to play. You will FOR SURE have losing days or weeks. If that method does not do 'well' over many months, kick it to the side and NEVER play it again. If it has a couple flaws, do your best to tweak/correct those flaws.
Ken
Based upon the quoted descriptions, both are strategic ways to play a game. The only difference is that "method" includes recognition of the possibility of failure.
Quote: MarieBicurieI don't need your respect even though I answered your question.
Thats good because I dont offer it up to you.
Ken
Quote: DJTeddyBearSince the original question has been answered fully on the first page of this thread, I'd like to address the difference between "system" and "method".
Based upon the quoted descriptions, both are strategic ways to play a game. The only difference is that "method" includes recognition of the possibility of failure.
That sounds about right. I have no issues admitting to failure with roulette. Lets be honest, its a tough game.
Ken
I see that you're now admitting that you have failed to beat roulette in the long run.
Back when you were riding high and making wild arrogant claims do you recall various posters warning you that this would happen?
You could have saved a great deal of money if you would have taken the time to actually read and study what others had taken the time to post.
Quote: mrjjjThat sounds about right. I have no issues admitting to failure with roulette. Lets be honest, its a tough game.
Ken
Basketball is a tough game. Golf is a tough game. Billiards is a tough game. Roulette is not tough at all. It requires no skill. There is nothing you can do to improve your chances of winning. VP (which I do not play) requires knowledge to play properly. Pai Gow requires knowledge to play properly. BJ requires knowledge to play properly. With the exception of the one bet to avoid more in roulette, there are just a bunch of equally bad bets available to the player. If you enjoy betting on the ball landing on your number, great, that is why the game is there. But there is nothing that would make the most 'experienced' player better than an elephant farting a number of times to select its number. That being said, if I come to Milwaukee will you buy me an eggplant parmesan dinner at your place?
Gee, I thought it was that with the exception of the one bet to avoid in roulette, there are just a bunch of equally good bets available to the player.Quote: SOOPOOWith the exception of the one bet to avoid more in roulette, there are just a bunch of equally bad bets available to the player.
Even at 5.26 percent, its an okay game. Its better than most slot machines. Its sort of like making a Field Bet while you are seated, atleast based on the House Edge it is.
I agree that the answer to the question about shooting the whole wad with 12 numbers at once or 12 adopting a more conservative ploy of making twelve serial bets was answered most adequately on the first page or so.
Quote from Keyser >> "I see that you're now admitting that you have failed to beat roulette in the long run".
You are the master at starting trouble, I'll give you that much. I think what you are looking for from me is....'HAVE/HAS FAILED'. Anything to stir the pot, once again.
Keyser/Herb/Snowman throws in BS like, 'beat' and 'long run'.
If a roulette method I play has been tanking, I have NO PROBLEM saying, it sucked, I lost.
99.9999999999999% of gamblers will not admit to this, issues with ego's I guess? (lol)
Ken
Quote: SOOPOOBasketball is a tough game. Golf is a tough game. Billiards is a tough game. Roulette is not tough at all. It requires no skill. There is nothing you can do to improve your chances of winning. VP (which I do not play) requires knowledge to play properly. Pai Gow requires knowledge to play properly. BJ requires knowledge to play properly. With the exception of the one bet to avoid more in roulette, there are just a bunch of equally bad bets available to the player. If you enjoy betting on the ball landing on your number, great, that is why the game is there. But there is nothing that would make the most 'experienced' player better than an elephant farting a number of times to select its number. That being said, if I come to Milwaukee will you buy me an eggplant parmesan dinner at your place?
Thank you for your OPINION, much appreciated.
"If I come to Milwaukee will you buy me an eggplant parmesan dinner at your place? >> No. Just curious, why did you say eggplant parmesan dinner?
Ken
