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August 7th, 2021 at 2:35:32 PM permalink
To turn freeplay into cash, is it better to play a blackjack machine or 100 play VP?
Assume pay tables, rules, and denominations most commonly found in casinos.
We all have an opinion but I'm looking for some math to back it up.
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August 7th, 2021 at 2:49:57 PM permalink
What is better?

If better is highest expected return, then you play the lowest house advantage game. Blackjack, VP, slot, claw game, dunk tank, whatever is lowest house edge.

If better is fastest then the answer changes. If better is lowest variance then the answer changes. If better is a mix of many variables then the answer changes.
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August 7th, 2021 at 2:52:52 PM permalink
The answer naturally defaults to best EV, but there might be one reason (or other considerations) where one cares about low variance.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 7th, 2021 at 3:09:28 PM permalink
The idea is to walk away with the most cash as soon is it is possible.
The longer you play a -EV game, well, you know.

I know you can play a slot and hit it big, but that's not the goal.
I want to walk away with the most cash with the least amount of variance.
Like in, I'd be happy to walk away with whatever the freeplay amount was, in cash every time, if possible.
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August 7th, 2021 at 3:21:37 PM permalink
Quote: joedol

The idea is to walk away with the most cash as soon is it is possible.
The longer you play a -EV game, well, you know.



If you only have to play it through once, who cares how long it takes. If ties were converting the freeplay immediately, I'd min bet video BJ and expect to walk with close to 99%
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August 7th, 2021 at 3:32:34 PM permalink
Quote: joedol

The idea is to walk away with the most cash as soon is it is possible.
The longer you play a -EV game, well, you know.

I know you can play a slot and hit it big, but that's not the goal.
I want to walk away with the most cash with the least amount of variance.
Like in, I'd be happy to walk away with whatever the freeplay amount was, in cash every time, if possible.



Again, are we talking about actual cash or expected cash? Depending on what's available, it's possible that I could give you an exact number on ACTUAL cash you'd walk away with, but it would often not be at the best expectation.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 7th, 2021 at 3:58:09 PM permalink
Quote: joedol


I want to walk away with the most cash with the least amount of variance.
Like in, I'd be happy to walk away with whatever the freeplay amount was, in cash every time, if possible.



Getting (roughly) face value is pretty reliable with video blackjack.
If you're willing to get less sometimes, you can get more sometimes.
I'd definitely have a look at any Ultimate X machines on the way to the video blackjack.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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August 7th, 2021 at 4:04:14 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

If you only have to play it through once, who cares how long it takes. If ties were converting the freeplay immediately, I'd min bet video BJ and expect to walk with close to 99%

FYI, Most of the time you can't find a good pay blackjack machine that accepts free play, so you would be stuck playing a BJ game that's negative 2%-4%
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 7th, 2021 at 4:09:28 PM permalink
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Again, are we talking about actual cash or expected cash? Depending on what's available, it's possible that I could give you an exact number on ACTUAL cash you'd walk away with, but it would often not be at the best expectation.



Expected cash. I believe actual cash could vary every time.
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August 7th, 2021 at 4:14:00 PM permalink
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Quote: Mission146

Again, are we talking about actual cash or expected cash? Depending on what's available, it's possible that I could give you an exact number on ACTUAL cash you'd walk away with, but it would often not be at the best expectation.



Expected cash. I believe actual cash could vary every time.



Depends on the game.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 7th, 2021 at 4:17:20 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

If you only have to play it through once, who cares how long it takes. If ties were converting the freeplay immediately, I'd min bet video BJ and expect to walk with close to 99%



I didn't mean "as soon as possible" in terms of time it takes.
I mean as soon as I play through the freeplay and can cash out.
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