I put 1 unit on Black. And 1 unit on the third column.(starts with 3 ends at 36.) By doing this now took away the house odds by 2 spots and given my self 2. So the player having only 12 numbers that they lose on. while. 12 to win on and 14 to tie. would that not eliminate the house edge? (8 numbers=+2 and 4 numbers=+3.)

I say this because row 3 has 8 red and 4 black. I covered black but red is not played. so by betting row 3 I get 8 red instead of 6 or 4. That would erase the 0 & 00 advantage for the house. Right? I know its probably been taljed about a million times but Id love to hear how I'm wrong on this. Thanks

Here’s the math, betting $1 on both black and third column.

4/38 you win $3.

8/38 you win $1.

14/38 you win $0.

12/38 you lose $2. (The 10 red numbers in other columns plus the two green.)

3*4/38 + 1*8/38 + 0*14/38 - 2*12/38 = -4/38 = -$0.105 for every $2 you bet this way.

That’s exactly the same house edge as any other bet at roulette, except the basket, which is even worse.

No pattern betting or betting system at roulette can change that, so long as the wheel is unbiased.

matter where you place your

bets. People have studied what

you're talking about for 200

years and all come to the same

conclusion. You cannot find a

betting pattern that beats the

HE.

Quote:EvenBobThe house edge is the same no

matter where you place your

bets. People have studied what

you're talking about for 200

years and all come to the same

conclusion. You cannot find a

betting pattern that beats the

HE.

You said you were a roulette AP. Did I miss the big reveal by you that you were wrong/lying?

Quote:FinsRuleYou said you were a roulette AP.

Yup..

Quote:EvenBobThe house edge is the same no

matter where you place your

bets. People have studied what

you're talking about for 200

years and all come to the same

conclusion. You cannot find a

betting pattern that beats the

HE.

You can reduce the house edge if you find a European wheel without a 00 and lower it to about 2.63%. The only way to win is to get lucky early and run for the door. In the end the math will do what it's supposed to do to you.

Quote:LovecompsYou can reduce the house edge if you find a European wheel without a 00 and lower it to about 2.63%.

I think you miss the point. The edge can't

be lowered by some tricky bet placement.

If it could, the game would have been

permanently beaten 250 years ago.

There are men far smarter than anybody

on this board who made it their life's

hobby to beat roulette with bet placement

they never did.

Quote:EvenBobI think you miss the point. The edge can't

be lowered by some tricky bet placement.

If it could, the game would have been

permanently beaten 250 years ago.

There are men far smarter than anybody

on this board who made it their life's

hobby to beat roulette with bet placement

they never did.

Not sure about that second part...

Quote:FinsRuleNot sure about that second part...

I am, I did the research. Look at the OP,

they're still doing it. 200 years ago they

had no access to huge numbers of spins

like they have now. They had to laboriously

collect the spin results from the one or two

wheels that were available to them.

I have a roulette tool that will let me test

something on a million spins.

Quote:EvenBobI am, I did the research. Look at the OP,

they're still doing it. 200 years ago they

had no access to huge numbers of spins

like they have now. They had to laboriously

collect the spin results from the one or two

wheels that were available to them.

I have a roulette tool that will let me test

something on a million spins.

He meant the part about someone that would do that fool’s errand being smarter than the people on this board.

Quote:unJonHe meant the part about someone that would do that fool’s errand being smarter than the people on this board.

Some of them were world famous mathematicians.

Does that describe this board?

Quote:EvenBobSome of them were world famous mathematicians.

Does that describe this board?

Stupid is as stupid does.

Quote:EvenBobSome of them were world famous mathematicians.

Does that describe this board?

Certainly not the whole board. However, a year ago, when I got back into casino gaming, every gambling site I went to would quote stats from someone called the Wizard of Odds. Eventually I decided to follow the river to it's source and went off to see the famous Wizard.

Quote:unJonStupid is as stupid does.

So you're smart enough to just glance

at roulette and realize it can't be beat

with just the right bets? Unfortunately

many people had to actually test it

to find that out, there was nobody

and no books telling them it wasn't

possible.

Actually, it's those people you call

'stupid' that did all the heavy lifting

so they could inform you of the

truth.

Quote:EvenBobSo you're smart enough to just glance

at roulette and realize it can't be beat

with just the right bets? Unfortunately

many people had to actually test it

to find that out, there was nobody

and no books telling them it wasn't

possible.

Actually, it's those people you call

'stupid' that did all the heavy lifting

so they could inform you of the

truth.

Good talk.

Quote:EvenBobSo you're smart enough to just glance

at roulette and realize it can't be beat

with just the right bets? Unfortunately

many people had to actually test it

to find that out, there was nobody

and no books telling them it wasn't

possible.

Actually, it's those people you call

'stupid' that did all the heavy lifting

so they could inform you of the

truth.

I think your 25,000th post should be a full detailed explanation of what exactly you being a roullette AP means. Your methods , strategy , success rate, lifetime profit etc.

Being an AP at a game where there’s virtually zero heat is like having a license to print money. I’m sure we’d all like to learn.

Quote:AxelWolfOMG!!! Guy's, we have went over this with Bob A magnitude of times over many years. It always ends up at the same dead end. The one thing that stood out to me the most was when Bob said that he can tell the diffidence between RNG produced numbers and non RNG produced numbers.

Oh wow, you really made me dig deep into the memory banks to remember this, but yeah, I remember being really amused by a thread that went this route. Must have been what, like 4+ years ago?

Quote:AxelWolfOMG!!! Guy's, we have went over this with Bob A magnitude of times over many years. It always ends up at the same dead end. The one thing that stood out to me the most was when Bob said that he can tell the diffidence between RNG produced numbers and non RNG produced numbers.

Just curious. Has any of your AP play ever even once involved live dealer roullette ?

Let's not forget, or forgive this doozy of a thread...Quote:michael99000I think your 25,000th post should be a full detailed explanation of what exactly you being a roullette AP means. Your methods , strategy , success rate, lifetime profit etc.

Being an AP at a game where there’s virtually zero heat is like having a license to print money. I’m sure we’d all like to learn.

It was way up there on Planet BobQuote:EvenBobI can't wrap my head around this. In roulette,

you have the 3 dozen bets. 33 1/3% chance

on each, bet two of them and add 33 1/3 and

33 1/3 and you have a 66 2/3 chance of getting

1 dozen correct if you get rid of the zeros.

Lets say theoretically you have a 50% of getting

one dozen right. If you add 50+50 you get 100,

and I know that's not correct for the chance of

getting one right. So how do you do the math

to figure the chance of getting one right.

Quote:EvenBobSo you're smart enough to just glance

at roulette and realize it can't be beat

with just the right bets? Unfortunately

many people had to actually test it

to find that out, there was nobody

and no books telling them it wasn't

possible.

Actually, it's those people you call

'stupid' that did all the heavy lifting

so they could inform you of the

truth.

Out of every single game in the casino, roulette is by far the easiest to look at mathematically.

There’s 38 spots, and every single bet is paid out to be fair if there were 36 spots.

It almost couldn’t be any easier.

How dare you. Very famous mathematicians took hundreds of hours over hundreds of years to figure that out!Quote:FinsRuleOut of every single game in the casino, roulette is by far the easiest to look at mathematically.

There’s 38 spots, and every single bet is paid out to be fair if there were 36 spots.

It almost couldn’t be any easier.

his method is known as visual roulette prediction

these methods may be no longer effective because of improved equipment or they may just be less effective

I tried Scott's method briefly and gave up - it was just too much for me

but I do believe he and his methods are or were legitimate

I believe in selling his system Scott understated the difficulty of it

It is very difficult

I am 𝐧𝐨𝐭 recommending anybody try this.

there are easier ways to make a buck

I just posted it for informational and historical value

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/how-to-win-at-roulette-2.htm

https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Roulette-Prediction-Basic-Methods/dp/0910575258

But for a mere $4-5K you can join Evenbob as a winning roulette player.