PuppetMaster
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January 31st, 2019 at 5:08:55 AM permalink
I'm having some trouble with the formulation of an equation for the odds on the following roulette wager. I have come up with a possible +2 player advantagebas compared to the -2 from just picking a number. if any one can tell me or help me with this I'd be very greatful since math eludes me since I found out Algebra really isnt needed after 9th grade.

I put 1 unit on Black. And 1 unit on the third column.(starts with 3 ends at 36.) By doing this now took away the house odds by 2 spots and given my self 2. So the player having only 12 numbers that they lose on. while. 12 to win on and 14 to tie. would that not eliminate the house edge? (8 numbers=+2 and 4 numbers=+3.)

I say this because row 3 has 8 red and 4 black. I covered black but red is not played. so by betting row 3 I get 8 red instead of 6 or 4. That would erase the 0 & 00 advantage for the house. Right? I know its probably been taljed about a million times but Id love to hear how I'm wrong on this. Thanks
unJon
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OnceDear
January 31st, 2019 at 5:22:11 AM permalink
I donít have a roulette layout in front of me so Iíll assume you are right that the 3rd column has 8 red and 4 black.

Hereís the math, betting $1 on both black and third column.

4/38 you win $3.
8/38 you win $1.
14/38 you win $0.
12/38 you lose $2. (The 10 red numbers in other columns plus the two green.)

3*4/38 + 1*8/38 + 0*14/38 - 2*12/38 = -4/38 = -$0.105 for every $2 you bet this way.

Thatís exactly the same house edge as any other bet at roulette, except the basket, which is even worse.

No pattern betting or betting system at roulette can change that, so long as the wheel is unbiased.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
sabre
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January 31st, 2019 at 8:40:48 AM permalink
Algebra is absolutely needed after 9th grade.
EvenBob
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January 31st, 2019 at 11:29:29 AM permalink
The house edge is the same no
matter where you place your
bets. People have studied what
you're talking about for 200
years and all come to the same
conclusion. You cannot find a
betting pattern that beats the
HE.
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billryan
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Forager
January 31st, 2019 at 11:58:16 AM permalink
Best roulette system involves betting less on hands you lose.
FinsRule
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January 31st, 2019 at 12:25:43 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The house edge is the same no
matter where you place your
bets. People have studied what
you're talking about for 200
years and all come to the same
conclusion. You cannot find a
betting pattern that beats the
HE.



You said you were a roulette AP. Did I miss the big reveal by you that you were wrong/lying?
EvenBob
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January 31st, 2019 at 12:34:58 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

You said you were a roulette AP.



Yup..
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Lovecomps
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January 31st, 2019 at 2:40:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The house edge is the same no
matter where you place your
bets. People have studied what
you're talking about for 200
years and all come to the same
conclusion. You cannot find a
betting pattern that beats the
HE.



You can reduce the house edge if you find a European wheel without a 00 and lower it to about 2.63%. The only way to win is to get lucky early and run for the door. In the end the math will do what it's supposed to do to you.
The best things in life are not free.
EvenBob
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January 31st, 2019 at 3:12:34 PM permalink
Quote: Lovecomps

You can reduce the house edge if you find a European wheel without a 00 and lower it to about 2.63%.



I think you miss the point. The edge can't
be lowered by some tricky bet placement.
If it could, the game would have been
permanently beaten 250 years ago.

There are men far smarter than anybody
on this board who made it their life's
hobby to beat roulette with bet placement
they never did.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
FinsRule
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January 31st, 2019 at 3:56:40 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I think you miss the point. The edge can't
be lowered by some tricky bet placement.
If it could, the game would have been
permanently beaten 250 years ago.

There are men far smarter than anybody
on this board who made it their life's
hobby to beat roulette with bet placement
they never did.



Not sure about that second part...

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