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January 31st, 2019 at 5:08:55 AM permalink
I'm having some trouble with the formulation of an equation for the odds on the following roulette wager. I have come up with a possible +2 player advantagebas compared to the -2 from just picking a number. if any one can tell me or help me with this I'd be very greatful since math eludes me since I found out Algebra really isnt needed after 9th grade.

I put 1 unit on Black. And 1 unit on the third column.(starts with 3 ends at 36.) By doing this now took away the house odds by 2 spots and given my self 2. So the player having only 12 numbers that they lose on. while. 12 to win on and 14 to tie. would that not eliminate the house edge? (8 numbers=+2 and 4 numbers=+3.)

I say this because row 3 has 8 red and 4 black. I covered black but red is not played. so by betting row 3 I get 8 red instead of 6 or 4. That would erase the 0 & 00 advantage for the house. Right? I know its probably been taljed about a million times but Id love to hear how I'm wrong on this. Thanks
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January 31st, 2019 at 5:22:11 AM permalink
I donít have a roulette layout in front of me so Iíll assume you are right that the 3rd column has 8 red and 4 black.

Hereís the math, betting $1 on both black and third column.

4/38 you win $3.
8/38 you win $1.
14/38 you win $0.
12/38 you lose $2. (The 10 red numbers in other columns plus the two green.)

3*4/38 + 1*8/38 + 0*14/38 - 2*12/38 = -4/38 = -$0.105 for every $2 you bet this way.

Thatís exactly the same house edge as any other bet at roulette, except the basket, which is even worse.

No pattern betting or betting system at roulette can change that, so long as the wheel is unbiased.
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January 31st, 2019 at 8:40:48 AM permalink
Algebra is absolutely needed after 9th grade.
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January 31st, 2019 at 11:29:29 AM permalink
The house edge is the same no
matter where you place your
bets. People have studied what
you're talking about for 200
years and all come to the same
conclusion. You cannot find a
betting pattern that beats the
HE.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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January 31st, 2019 at 11:58:16 AM permalink
Best roulette system involves betting less on hands you lose.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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January 31st, 2019 at 12:25:43 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The house edge is the same no
matter where you place your
bets. People have studied what
you're talking about for 200
years and all come to the same
conclusion. You cannot find a
betting pattern that beats the
HE.



You said you were a roulette AP. Did I miss the big reveal by you that you were wrong/lying?
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January 31st, 2019 at 12:34:58 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

You said you were a roulette AP.



Yup..
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January 31st, 2019 at 2:40:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The house edge is the same no
matter where you place your
bets. People have studied what
you're talking about for 200
years and all come to the same
conclusion. You cannot find a
betting pattern that beats the
HE.



You can reduce the house edge if you find a European wheel without a 00 and lower it to about 2.63%. The only way to win is to get lucky early and run for the door. In the end the math will do what it's supposed to do to you.
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January 31st, 2019 at 3:12:34 PM permalink
Quote: Lovecomps

You can reduce the house edge if you find a European wheel without a 00 and lower it to about 2.63%.



I think you miss the point. The edge can't
be lowered by some tricky bet placement.
If it could, the game would have been
permanently beaten 250 years ago.

There are men far smarter than anybody
on this board who made it their life's
hobby to beat roulette with bet placement
they never did.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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January 31st, 2019 at 3:56:40 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I think you miss the point. The edge can't
be lowered by some tricky bet placement.
If it could, the game would have been
permanently beaten 250 years ago.

There are men far smarter than anybody
on this board who made it their life's
hobby to beat roulette with bet placement
they never did.



Not sure about that second part...
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January 31st, 2019 at 4:28:09 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Not sure about that second part...



I am, I did the research. Look at the OP,
they're still doing it. 200 years ago they
had no access to huge numbers of spins
like they have now. They had to laboriously
collect the spin results from the one or two
wheels that were available to them.

I have a roulette tool that will let me test
something on a million spins.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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January 31st, 2019 at 5:14:08 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I am, I did the research. Look at the OP,
they're still doing it. 200 years ago they
had no access to huge numbers of spins
like they have now. They had to laboriously
collect the spin results from the one or two
wheels that were available to them.

I have a roulette tool that will let me test
something on a million spins.



He meant the part about someone that would do that foolís errand being smarter than the people on this board.
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January 31st, 2019 at 6:35:51 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

He meant the part about someone that would do that foolís errand being smarter than the people on this board.



Some of them were world famous mathematicians.
Does that describe this board?
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January 31st, 2019 at 6:41:49 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Some of them were world famous mathematicians.
Does that describe this board?



Stupid is as stupid does.
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January 31st, 2019 at 8:01:14 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Some of them were world famous mathematicians.
Does that describe this board?


Certainly not the whole board. However, a year ago, when I got back into casino gaming, every gambling site I went to would quote stats from someone called the Wizard of Odds. Eventually I decided to follow the river to it's source and went off to see the famous Wizard.
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January 31st, 2019 at 8:15:00 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Stupid is as stupid does.



So you're smart enough to just glance
at roulette and realize it can't be beat
with just the right bets? Unfortunately
many people had to actually test it
to find that out, there was nobody
and no books telling them it wasn't
possible.

Actually, it's those people you call
'stupid' that did all the heavy lifting
so they could inform you of the
truth.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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January 31st, 2019 at 8:27:50 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So you're smart enough to just glance
at roulette and realize it can't be beat
with just the right bets? Unfortunately
many people had to actually test it
to find that out, there was nobody
and no books telling them it wasn't
possible.

Actually, it's those people you call
'stupid' that did all the heavy lifting
so they could inform you of the
truth.


Good talk.
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January 31st, 2019 at 10:09:30 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So you're smart enough to just glance
at roulette and realize it can't be beat
with just the right bets? Unfortunately
many people had to actually test it
to find that out, there was nobody
and no books telling them it wasn't
possible.

Actually, it's those people you call
'stupid' that did all the heavy lifting
so they could inform you of the
truth.



I think your 25,000th post should be a full detailed explanation of what exactly you being a roullette AP means. Your methods , strategy , success rate, lifetime profit etc.

Being an AP at a game where thereís virtually zero heat is like having a license to print money. Iím sure weíd all like to learn.
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January 31st, 2019 at 10:52:02 PM permalink
OMG!!! Guy's, we have went over this with Bob A magnitude of times over many years. It always ends up at the same dead end. The one thing that stood out to me the most was when Bob said that he can tell the diffidence between RNG produced numbers and non RNG produced numbers.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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January 31st, 2019 at 10:53:45 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

OMG!!! Guy's, we have went over this with Bob A magnitude of times over many years. It always ends up at the same dead end. The one thing that stood out to me the most was when Bob said that he can tell the diffidence between RNG produced numbers and non RNG produced numbers.



Oh wow, you really made me dig deep into the memory banks to remember this, but yeah, I remember being really amused by a thread that went this route. Must have been what, like 4+ years ago?
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January 31st, 2019 at 10:54:37 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

OMG!!! Guy's, we have went over this with Bob A magnitude of times over many years. It always ends up at the same dead end. The one thing that stood out to me the most was when Bob said that he can tell the diffidence between RNG produced numbers and non RNG produced numbers.



Just curious. Has any of your AP play ever even once involved live dealer roullette ?
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February 1st, 2019 at 1:07:36 AM permalink
Quote: michael99000

I think your 25,000th post should be a full detailed explanation of what exactly you being a roullette AP means. Your methods , strategy , success rate, lifetime profit etc.

Being an AP at a game where thereís virtually zero heat is like having a license to print money. Iím sure weíd all like to learn.

Let's not forget, or forgive this doozy of a thread...

Quote: EvenBob

I can't wrap my head around this. In roulette,
you have the 3 dozen bets. 33 1/3% chance
on each, bet two of them and add 33 1/3 and
33 1/3 and you have a 66 2/3 chance of getting
1 dozen correct if you get rid of the zeros.

Lets say theoretically you have a 50% of getting
one dozen right. If you add 50+50 you get 100,
and I know that's not correct for the chance of
getting one right. So how do you do the math
to figure the chance of getting one right.

It was way up there on Planet Bob
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February 1st, 2019 at 7:33:17 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So you're smart enough to just glance
at roulette and realize it can't be beat
with just the right bets? Unfortunately
many people had to actually test it
to find that out, there was nobody
and no books telling them it wasn't
possible.

Actually, it's those people you call
'stupid' that did all the heavy lifting
so they could inform you of the
truth.



Out of every single game in the casino, roulette is by far the easiest to look at mathematically.

Thereís 38 spots, and every single bet is paid out to be fair if there were 36 spots.

It almost couldnít be any easier.
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February 1st, 2019 at 7:58:43 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Out of every single game in the casino, roulette is by far the easiest to look at mathematically.

Thereís 38 spots, and every single bet is paid out to be fair if there were 36 spots.

It almost couldnít be any easier.

How dare you. Very famous mathematicians took hundreds of hours over hundreds of years to figure that out!
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February 1st, 2019 at 8:37:01 AM permalink
there are 2 links here re beating roulette - one from BJ Hall of Famer Arnold Snyder and one from the guy who I believe tutored Snyder on this - Laurance Scott

his method is known as visual roulette prediction

these methods may be no longer effective because of improved equipment or they may just be less effective

I tried Scott's method briefly and gave up - it was just too much for me

but I do believe he and his methods are or were legitimate

I believe in selling his system Scott understated the difficulty of it
It is very difficult

I am 𝐧𝐨𝐭 recommending anybody try this.
there are easier ways to make a buck

I just posted it for informational and historical value


http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/how-to-win-at-roulette-2.htm

https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Roulette-Prediction-Basic-Methods/dp/0910575258
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February 1st, 2019 at 9:20:51 AM permalink
Just a mere $1,099 for a used copy. Plus Richard W. Munckin, in his reviews, suggested you will need to purchase a wheel to practice on for 3-4 K. Oh and he said it probably would not work in USA. And if you start winning anywhere , the croupier can stop you but simply calling No More Bets earlier as this system depends on placing your bets very late.

But for a mere $4-5K you can join Evenbob as a winning roulette player.
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