January 11th, 2019 at 11:59:28 PM
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Can anyone tell me if this assumption is correct? I am aware that you will never know which players will reach these numbers at the beginning. But if all of them play until reaching 37 different numbers, then the biggest part of them should be close to the average numbers.

January 16th, 2019 at 10:30:33 PM
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wrongQuote:masterjLet's say 1000 Players start immediately, then the biggest part of these group will get 36 different numbers around 118 spins and 37 different numbers around 155 spins. Right or wrong?

because the actual distribution of how many spins it takes is NOT a normal distribution

133 is the most likely spin (the mode)to collect the last of all 37 numbers

this would be correct but not answer your question

the biggest part of these group will get 36 different numbers BY 118 spins (118 or less)

and 37 different numbers BY 155 spins(155 spins or less)

the biggest part

is only over 50%

more precisely

0.576996723 is the probability for one player to get ALL by and including the 155th spin

(that is just over 50% and nowhere near even 99%)

on average, we would expect only 577 (out of 1,000) to collect all the numbers before the 156th spin

not drawn Probability cumulative

u=32 5 5.792644277504847e-05 6.034500425211893e-05

u=33 4 0.0009855780328734401 0.001045923037125559

u=34 3 0.01121913540428637 0.01226505844141193

u=35 2 0.08080438752582932 0.09306944596724125

u=36 1 0.3299338309788963 0.4230032769461376

u=37 0 0.5769967230538622 1

in summary, they won't be close to the 'average number' (except by luck)

but add up all the players spins and divide by 1000 and there will be close to the average number.

seems you got the average to be the most common probability and for this type of distribution it is not

I feel you are trying to do something with this information?

thank you for the share.

winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)

January 16th, 2019 at 11:28:04 PM
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Quote:KeyserIn other words, simply count the number of pockets on the wheel and realize that the ball can land in any one of them.

Maybe it will. I've seen the ball fly

out of the wheel many times and

end up on the floor. No bet for

that, though.

"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail."
Gore Vidal

February 21st, 2019 at 8:46:34 AM
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Hello 7 Craps,

sorry for the long wait.

In your calculation, the last open number should show up on average after 133 spins?

So after getting 36 numbers in 118 spins (on average) it takes only on average 15 spins to get the last open number? I don't understand this.

If this is true, then we should wait until 36 numbers show up, bet 15x the open number. If we hit, we win, if we don't hit, we stop after 15 bets and observe a different table and start again.

If 133 is the most likely occurence, then we should hit every other time in the long run while betting 15x. The average win ist higher then the loss of 15 bets. So we are profitable.

But I can not believe that this is correct.

sorry for the long wait.

In your calculation, the last open number should show up on average after 133 spins?

So after getting 36 numbers in 118 spins (on average) it takes only on average 15 spins to get the last open number? I don't understand this.

If this is true, then we should wait until 36 numbers show up, bet 15x the open number. If we hit, we win, if we don't hit, we stop after 15 bets and observe a different table and start again.

If 133 is the most likely occurence, then we should hit every other time in the long run while betting 15x. The average win ist higher then the loss of 15 bets. So we are profitable.

But I can not believe that this is correct.

February 21st, 2019 at 10:35:23 AM
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Don't try to: It's wrong.Quote:masterjHello 7 Craps,

it takes only on average 15 spins to get the last open number? I don't understand this.

It's not true, so don'tQuote:If this is true, then we should wait until 36 numbers show up, bet 15x the open number.

Nope. The maths is squiffy. It's not correct.Quote:The average win ist higher then the loss of 15 bets. So we are profitable.

But I can not believe that this is correct.

If you are enjoying the game, you're already winning.

February 21st, 2019 at 8:15:16 PM
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Quote:EvenBobMaybe it will. I've seen the ball fly

out of the wheel many times and

end up on the floor. No bet for

that, though.

You should be able to bet on that happening