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December 9th, 2018 at 5:55:31 PM permalink
Thanks Andrew for all your help. Based on your replies, I just did another major revision of my Niu Niu page. I hope you find my treatment of it acceptable. To answer your question, the probability of an Ultimate Niu Niu is 1 in 3,282 with one deck, so treating it like a regular Niu Niu as a very negligible effect on the house edge, lowering it by 0.003%.

As to offering a zero house edge game, I have heard the casinos in Cambodia are not quite as savvy as they are in Las Vegas. As I recall, a friend of mine who visited a large casino there said the gift shop didn't even sell bottled water.

I hope this won't come off as an insult, but it is no big secret that Khmer Rouge rounded up and killed anyone deemed an intellectual. This could be evidenced by just wearing glasses. Shall we say that this has policy may have resulted in some "brain drain." Present company excepted, of course.
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December 9th, 2018 at 6:16:37 PM permalink
Agreed. I worked in a Casino about 10 years ago that had two blackjack tables. The house edge was about 0.5% but but over a period of several years we would hold about 30% of the drop.
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December 9th, 2018 at 6:30:12 PM permalink
Thanks Wizard, yes the Cambodians have been through hell and back but there is hope for them yet. The Chinese are running the show now and as i alluded to before there is a lot more going on than just table games. The online business is huge and the investment in this town is something to behold.

Thanks for the extra 1 deck analysis on the double bet. It is almost the same as here except we do not take 5% on 1-6 and no Niu. We only take 5% on 7-9(2-1) and 10(3-1). Would that change the house hold by much?

Yes 1 to 6 0.95 0.209773 0.199284
Yes No Niu 0.95 0.056418 0.053597



Later i will send you some info on some other games here that you might find interesting.

Andrew
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December 9th, 2018 at 6:47:36 PM permalink
There is an interesting game using a weighted ping pong ball and a perspex box with a cone on top. You stand back and throw the ball into the cone. the ball goes into the box and at the bottom there is a grid of numbers. It's a bit like french bull or those laughing clowns at a carnival.
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December 9th, 2018 at 7:44:56 PM permalink
Quote: andrew888

Agreed. I worked in a Casino about 10 years ago that had two blackjack tables. The house edge was about 0.5% but but over a period of several years we would hold about 30% of the drop.



That could be attributed to lots of things. I've always thought the industry put too much emphasis on drop percentage. However, here in Vegas it is more like 10% to 15% in blackjack.
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December 9th, 2018 at 8:19:23 PM permalink
I attributed the hold to poor strategy and the fact that the casino was on an island. We had hold percentages similar to those of cruise ships. I am also not a big fan of drop percentage having worked with rolling chips for the last 25 years.
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December 10th, 2018 at 2:55:32 PM permalink
Quote: andrew888

There is an interesting game using a weighted ping pong ball and a perspex box with a cone on top. You stand back and throw the ball into the cone. the ball goes into the box and at the bottom there is a grid of numbers. It's a bit like french bull or those laughing clowns at a carnival.



I'm open to hearing about other casino games in Cambodia. The one you mention sounds kind of like a charity gambling game I've seen in the US, where a basketball rolls around a grid and eventually lands in a particular color. Before all this, players place bets on the various colors.
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December 10th, 2018 at 4:06:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm open to hearing about other casino games in Cambodia. The one you mention sounds kind of like a charity gambling game I've seen in the US, where a basketball rolls around a grid and eventually lands in a particular color. Before all this, players place bets on the various colors.



What's a "perspex" box?

I have seen the basketball game the Wizard describes done at least three different ways:
- A square grid matrix made of ~8 foot long 1"x4" boards interwoven on the 1" edge so that there are a bunch of ~2" squares.
- A grid of tumblers set edge to edge.
and my favorite:
- A grid composed of rectangular muffin tins.

In each case the "holes" were painted a variety of colors in what appeared to be random positions, with two or three bigger winners spread across the grid, but never on an edge. Players are allowed to roll the basketball down a short ramp, which makes up the edges of the matrix. The ball rolls around for what seems like a long time before settling on a space.
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December 10th, 2018 at 4:22:17 PM permalink
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What's a "perspex" box?...




Answer: a box made clear plexiglass
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December 10th, 2018 at 7:30:34 PM permalink
A solid transparent plastic box about 2ft x 2 ft x 2ft with a plastic cone on top.

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