BTRco
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April 23rd, 2018 at 1:44:01 AM permalink
Hi all!
I saw Simple and Optimal strategies to plat 9/6 Jacks or Better. But can't find any probabilities for each point of strategy. I can find only probabilities of winning points. Can you help me with this? I need probabilities for each point of strategy before discard cards.

Simple strategy:
1. Four of a kind, straight flush, royal flush
2. 4 to a royal flush
3. Three of a kind, straight, flush, full house
4. 4 to a straight flush
5. Two pair
6. High pair
7. 3 to a royal flush
8. 4 to a flush
9. Low pair
10. 4 to an outside straight
11. 2 suited high cards
12. 3 to a straight flush
13. 2 unsuited high cards (if more than 2 then pick the lowest 2)
14. Suited 10/J, 10/Q, or 10/K
15. One high card
16. Discard everything

Optimal:
1. Dealt royal flush (800)
2. Dealt straight flush (50)
3. Dealt four of a kind (25)
4. 4 to a royal flush (18.3617)
5. Dealt full house (9)
6. Dealt flush (6)
7. 3 of a kind (4.3025)
8. Dealt straight (4)
9. 4 to a straight flush (3.5319)
10. Two pair (2.59574)
11. High pair (1.5365)
12. 3 to a royal flush (1.2868)
13. 4 to a flush (1.2766)
14. Unsuited TJQK (0.8723)
15. Low pair (0.8237)
16. 4 to an outside straight with 0-2 high cards (0.6809)
17. 3 to a straight flush (type 1) + 2high cards 2 gaps (0.6429)
18. 3 to a straight flush (type 1) + 1 high cards 1 gap (0.6392)
19. 3 to a straight flush (type 1) + 0 high cards 0 gaps (0.6207)
20. Suited QJ (0.6004)
21. 4 to an inside straight, 4 high cards (0.5957)
22. Suited KQ or KJ (0.5857)
23. Suited AK, AQ, or AJ (0.5678)
24. 4 to an inside straight, 3 high cards (0.5319)
25. 3 to a straight flush (type 2) + 1 high card 2 gaps (0.5277)
26. 3 to a straight flush (type 2) + 0 high cards 1 gap (0.5097)
27. Unsuited JQK (0.5005)
28. Unsuited JQ (0.4980)
29. Suited TJ (0.4968)
30. 2 unsuited high cards king highest (0.4862)
31. Suited TQ (0.4825)
32. 2 unsuited high cards ace highest
33. J only (0.4713)
34. Suited TK (0.4682)
35. Q only (0.4681)
36. K only (0.4649)
37. A only (0.4640)
38. 3 to a straight flush (type 3) + 0 high cards 2 gaps (0.4431)
39. Garbage, discard everything (0.3597)
FleaStiff
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April 23rd, 2018 at 2:42:05 AM permalink
Sorry. Way beyond my feeble brain.

A simple strategy that can be rapidly applied is undoubtedly superior to carrying things out to the umpteenth decimal place to obtain an optimal strategy that takes too much time to memorize and apply.
odiousgambit
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April 23rd, 2018 at 6:45:17 AM permalink
maybe I don't know where you are going with this, but your question is quite a departure from the usual concern, which is 'what paytables return what percentage'

but maybe this will help you at the wizard's site, a place I would familiarize myself with

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/calculator/

PS, welcome to the forum
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gordonm888
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April 23rd, 2018 at 7:01:23 AM permalink
"where he is going with this" is that he has tried to take the optimal rules - from which the returns are calculated -and to simplify them by

1. compressing all 3-card straight flush tiers into a single 3-card straight flush tier
2. compressing all similar tiers involving a J, Q, K or Ace into a single high card tier

and is asking how much the "return" is reduced by this simplification of the rules.
Sometimes, people are just a bottomless mystery. And, after all, this is just a sh*tty little forum in the sun-less backwaters of the online world.
bobbartop
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April 23rd, 2018 at 9:32:25 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Sorry. Way beyond my feeble brain.

A simple strategy that can be rapidly applied is undoubtedly superior to carrying things out to the umpteenth decimal place to obtain an optimal strategy that takes too much time to memorize and apply.




Not with 9-6 JoB. Advanced Strategy for 9-6 JoB IS Simple Strategy. There's only six changes from Level-3 to Level-4. Beyond that and every game is at least a little tougher. Maybe Pickem compares, it's pretty easy.

There's nothing on the market better than Dancer/Daily Winners Guides. I don't see how they can be improved upon.
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April 23rd, 2018 at 10:47:17 AM permalink
Quote: BTRco

Hi all!
I saw Simple and Optimal strategies to plat 9/6 Jacks or Better. But can't find any probabilities for each point of strategy. I can find only probabilities of winning points. Can you help me with this? I need probabilities for each point of strategy before discard cards.



I would be more motivated to answer the question if I knew how it would help anybody.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
BTRco
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April 24th, 2018 at 2:33:44 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I would be more motivated to answer the question if I knew how it would help anybody.



I can't check where is the problem on my jacks or better hand analyzer. All tests are passed, results are close to necessary, but something is not good. And I need to know probabilities of each point of strategy to find a problem. I'm not good at statistic so I can't calculate it by myself, so I asked somebody on the forum. Or somebody can give me a link to his working source code of hand analyzer=)
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April 24th, 2018 at 6:42:48 AM permalink
Quote: BTRco

I can't check where is the problem on my jacks or better hand analyzer. All tests are passed, results are close to necessary, but something is not good. And I need to know probabilities of each point of strategy to find a problem. I'm not good at statistic so I can't calculate it by myself, so I asked somebody on the forum. Or somebody can give me a link to his working source code of hand analyzer=)



Your program should not need a hard-coded strategy. You can analyze video poker with just a function that can score any five cards and a lot of looping. If that doesn't bring accurate results, I would score all 2.6 million possible starting hands to make sure you get the correct count of each hand.
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