Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em +EV Situation?

Hey Guys,

I went down to a room in Florida the other week and decided to play a little Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em. First thing I did was go on Wizard of Odds to check out my best strategy.

On there I noticed on the most player friendly "Trips" pay table the return was -0.009018 units. However, the pay table there is even more friendly than that.

Royal Flush 50-1
Straight Flush 40-1
Quads 30-1
Full House 10-1*
Flush 8-1*
Straight 6-1*
Trips 3-1

*Different than on pay table on Wizard

I guess my question is (not great at math)... based on these pretty substantial number differences is the "Trips" a +EV of EV neutral bet?

Also, side note...
The Blind pay table is different than any listed on Wizard as well.
Royal Flush 200-1*
Straight Flush 50-1
Quads 10-1
Full House 3-1
Flush 2-1*
Straight 1-1

you can substitute your other paytable on the Wizard's work, like this:

wizard:
Full house 3473184 ........ 9 ..................0.025961................. 0.233649

this:
Full house 3473184 ........... 910 ............. 0.025961 ..................... 0.233649 0.25961

etc.

then add it up

you do the work then come back and tell us

Hi seankingfanclub, and welcome to the forums.

Pretty sure I stopped at the place you're referring to, where the 1 UTH table is in the separate building poker room. I ran some math on these and while the trips is indeed a friendly bet, it will be accompanied by the losing main game Ante/Blind bets.

Before you get 100 wanna be AP's rushing this back room 1 table game joint, I'd suggest removing the location of the casino from your OP. Feel free to PM me with more questions.

What you are missing on Trips in Florida is that your hand has to beat the dealer's hand in order to get paid on the Trips side bet. If your hand ties the dealer's then the Trips bet is a push. If the dealer beats your hand, then you lose the Trips side bet.

I did the math for the cardroom in question, the answer is a house edge of 4.8799%.

Romes - you might have found that the cardroom isn't implementing the side bet correctly with respect to the dealer win/tie/lose rule. But, I doubt it. I know the state regulators personally and they check up on that stuff.

Quote: teliot

What you are missing on Trips in Florida is that your hand has to beat the dealer's hand in order to get paid on the Trips side bet. If your hand ties the dealer's then the Trips bet is a push. If the dealer beats your hand, then you lose the Trips side bet.

I did the math for the cardroom in question, the answer is a house edge of 4.8799%.

Was this on your site? In doing some research online I can't seem to locate it. If you could link it (if on your site) I'd greatly appreciate it.

Quote: teliot

Romes - you might have found that the cardroom isn't implementing the side bet correctly with respect to the dealer win/tie/lose rule. But, I doubt it. I know the state regulators personally and they check up on that stuff.

I did go through this card room, but the one I was referring to was actually out of FL (had a mini-stroke or something and confused the non-similar name with this one at first glance).

Romes - this was not on my site. This was a proprietary mathematical report paid for by the cardroom. Of course, the house edge is not proprietary.

I vaguely recall that Crystal Math or Miplet may have re-done this math and posted it here somewhere.

Quote: teliot

Romes - this was not on my site. This was a proprietary mathematical report paid for by the cardroom. Of course, the house edge is not proprietary.

I vaguely recall that Crystal Math or Miplet may have re-done this math and posted it here somewhere.

Ah, okay. Thanks for the info.

Not sure which FL card room the OP played, but at "my" card room they are implementing this correctly.

is there any of these type of card rooms near west palm beach??????

Quote: ontariodealer

is there any of these type of card rooms near west palm beach??????

http://bfy.tw/9ykB

thanks, I thought it was poker only at west palm beach kennels but I see they have tex ult.