Blackjack House Edge Adjustment given % freeplay and 6x rollover

If a blackjack game were to be said to have a .41% house edge.

What would be the adjustment to said house edge assuming strictly blackjack play, with a 25% freeplay bonus with a 6x's rollover requirement.

Something tells me this ride is going to be bumpy...

Anyone?

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If a blackjack game were to be said to have a .41% house edge.

What would be the adjustment to said house edge assuming strictly blackjack play, with a 25% freeplay bonus with a 6x's rollover requirement.

Something tells me this ride is going to be bumpy...

Anyone?

DDD,

I am math-challenged myself, but based on what I've been reading the past several months, you will most likely be asked to provide a few more details that could include:

1. Penetration?
2. Type of game, that is SD, DD, 6, or 8 deck? Other
3. Some of the house rules? DAS? S17? H17? RSA? SURR?
4. What does "strictly blackjack play" mean: only using basic strategy? Not counting?
5. Last, but not least, are you playing 3:2 blackjack or 6:5 "blackjack"

HTH, even if just a little bit,

LW

Thanks for your reply!

iv got you beat on "math-challenged", coin flip probability is all i can calculate.

First, by the chnace that it might expedite through responder existing knowledge, the specific game in question is live dealer betonline. ag

I THINK its:
8 decks
dealer stands 17
double any cards
double soft and after split
no resplit
late surrender (and maybe early?)
3:2

Assuming you play the Blackjack game (it probably matters little what the exact rules are unless you're trying to eek out some close advantage such as changing close decisions) and you start with $100.

Say you make 100 $1 bets then at the end you should have $99.59, repeat this and after going through $600 you should have $97.54. If you're saying at this stage you get 25% bonus - you're suggesting you get $25 of free play for the [expected] loss of $2.46.

Am I missing something - just do it!

Be careful they allow the 6x rollover on BJ. I'm not well rehearsed in online casino tactics, but I've heard you could do roll over on slots for 6x or however much....but for BJ or VP it might require something like 60x or 120x, which I believe, would negate your advantage. (Well you'd still have an ever-so-slight advantage with a 60x roll over, I reckon, but certainly not worth it.)

ahhh yes. and there i find my problem. the 6x roll over was a plan to then switch to money line sport events

the casino rollover is 30x

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ahhh yes. and there i find my problem. the 6x roll over was a plan to then switch to money line sport events

the casino rollover is 30x

Not only did RS hit the nail on the head, but just in case you were planning on counting this game for some kind of advantage pretty much all of the Online Live games I've seen have completely HORRIBLE penetration that make the games practically unbeatable. Past that you have to worry about actually getting paid out too and not Terms and Conditions (T's and C's) another way, just like the hidden 30x rollover.

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If a blackjack game were to be said to have a .41% house edge.

What would be the adjustment to said house edge assuming strictly blackjack play, with a 25% freeplay bonus with a 6x's rollover requirement.

Something tells me this ride is going to be bumpy...

Anyone?

Ya, 6 times would be highly unusual nowadays, even at only 25%.

There's a few places with a 100% bonus for a few hundred with 10x, playable on VP, however I'm suspicious of their supposed random games.


What's the maximum bonus on the 25%? Is it a one time offer?
How reputable is the casino?
Do they give you you cash back from points you earn? What's the best VP they offer?

supposedly life time 25% bonus up to 1000 (on 4000) with 6x rollover

Their live casino is fun, they have single zero roulette.
not knowning any different, it seems they offer good deals.

*pending a payout experience. although, if other bettors share my "loss before payout" expereiences, it would also seem the casino wont have the slightest objection with making the payouts.

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supposedly life time 25% bonus up to 1000 (on 4000) with 6x rollover

Their live casino is fun, they have single zero roulette.
not knowning any different, it seems they offer good deals.

*pending a payout experience. although, if other bettors share my "loss before payout" expereiences, it would also seem the casino wont have the slightest objection with making the payouts.

So anytime you deposit up to 1k you get a 25% bonus? YOU said 6 times agian.. is it 6x on sports and 30x in the casino ?

Is it bonus plus deposit roll over?

6x times only on sports would be very good for the right person.

What happens with the Roll over requirements when you lose your 1k in the casino or sports? Does it carry over or reset?

That would make a big difference in the value and how to approach the way you play.

Can you post the name or PM me a link so I can look closer at this.

Without anything extra, or any fees.... It's worth over $75 each time you deposit 1k, that's if they have 9/6 JOB. But unless they have something extra going on I wouldn't mess with that. The risk just isn't worth the reward.

If you lose 1k 5 or 6 times then hit something big I would be worried.


Would also like to verify their reputation.

i cant post links yet but its betonline . ag



see promotions

Don't know specifics but I don't think that's worth that much....

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i cant post links yet but its betonline . ag



see promotions

betonline is highly rated, fwiw, on sportsbookreview.

I'm just sayin.

the webcam live dealer blackjack is hi-res, its a hoot and a half.
Clear shoe, i think i calculated the HE at .41 , this should be confirmed by a mathspert though.

Where do you see 30x? According to the T&C's it's 50x, not good on BJ, It also sounds like you are on make up regarding the wagering requirements, future deposits and cash outs.




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Disclaimer: i havent read the TC , casino 30x is from the customer service rep i spoke to before i made a deposit, or maybe she did say 50x and my optimism is conflicting with my dementia. (incidentally i balked at that and went instead with a 6x rollover req. bonus usable only in the sports book)

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Disclaimer: i havent read the TC , casino 30x is from the customer service rep i spoke to before i made a deposit, or maybe she did say 50x and my optimism is conflicting with my dementia. (incidentally i balked at that and went instead with a 6x rollover req. bonus usable only in the sports book)

I'm not sure if you can play perfect without any mistakes or if there are any fees associated. Perhaps they have a loyalty program to make up for it.

Even if you could play BJ( perfect )it would be worth about $6 running through $62k. Entertainment value, perhaps, money maker.... I think not.

I have a couple of new questions, some here and then some in a post that is after the response.

If a casino were to offer 25% bonus with a 6x times roll over of the deposit+the bonus,


betting the whole bonus (equal to 25% od the deposit) each time, (excluding the intitial deposit (suppose it has been lost already):

how many times must one make a bet on a game that is .41 HE to satisfy this rollover requirment (not recieving the bonus it self back but only the winnings from it, and those from them.

around 6-8 times in a row?

and what is the probability of success in meeting the rollover requirement under these restraints?

Since you got what seems to be misinformation about the casino bonus I tried to look at the 25% sports bonus
They had multiple bonuses with a link to T&C All the links worked except for this one(strange)

25% Lifetime Bonus Guarantee
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Terms and Conditions Join now Deposit now <<<<<<<< Not clickable I wouldn't attempt anything until you can clearly see the written T&C's.

The initial bonus is good if you bet sports.

Do they have games with less vig like some books offer?

Less vig?

The only thing i can say, is that if my memory serves me correctly, it SEEMS that i might have read some chart somewhere (probably sportsbookreview) where the box for "best lines" was said "no". I have no earthly clue what that means, or if its even related.

When you log in you should be able to click and read the T&C, probably an even better idea to snap a screen shot, although, the biggest thing that worrys me is that line within the t&C that reads : "xxxxxxxxx reserves the right to alter or amend the terms and conditions of this promotion at any time without notice."

i do wonder if that applies only to bonuses acceepted after the change or if it also applies to bonuses previously outstanding.

wouldnt that piss you off?

" I made the 6x rollover!"

"sorry sir, today its 10x"

i cant post a new thread im still on the newbie restrictions, probably a good thing, i get excited.

i want to ask if anyone has spent any time researching "Loss Rebate Theorems"

I discovered it here* (well so much for newbies not being able to post links, very helpfull...)

manly in regards to Don Johnson's Famous Exploitation of the Rebate system.

there is an interesting excel file calculator in the link on that page labeled "spreadsheet solution, its within the text,

I find it fascinating.

*How Don Johnson won $15M from Blackjack (without Card Counting)

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Past that you have to worry about actually getting paid out too and not Terms and Conditions (T's and C's) another way, just like the hidden 30x rollover.

oops, I didn't realize this blackjack was 'online'... that adds worries particularly with that word "hidden". If they ain't honest and open about something isn't that of and in itself a factor to be noted. Its sort of like 'an Engineer is trying to sell me the brooklyn bridge' versus 'a con man is trying to sell me the brooklyn bridge'.

Once they start concealing things that should be in large type, I'd either walk or play for peanuts.