mbrother11
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June 25th, 2016 at 6:52:12 AM permalink
I totally agree with those who say there is no "system" that can beat roulette, as there is always the house advantage, and the 'ball' has no memory....with that said, I am hoping someone can discuss with me a mathematical way that two people (i.e., husband and wife) should play roulette together. For instance, let's suppose that I always put $10 on whatever number just came up...just cuz I like to hope for a repeater! Now if my hubby always puts $10 on another number, then he is in effect "betting against me, since both our numbers cannot come up on next spin. But if he just bets the same number as me, then we're just betting $20 that a repeater will happen...we either both win or both lose on the next spin. So logically it seems to me that he should make a bet that can win even if i don't -- for instance, if bet on 23, and he bets on red, then if 23 does not come up, he can still win on any other red number, but if 23 does come up, we both win! Or he could bet on the middle 12 numbers, or on the middle column ..

Of course, other factors come in...if i bet on 23, and he bets on the middle column, then he is betting on a column that has only four red numbers in it, while I am hoping that the 23 -- a RED number-- will come in, so in a way he is still betting AGAINST my bet.

Now I realize we could just bet at different tables, but we are going on vacation to have fun together, so want to be at same table...anyone have suggestions how spouses can play roulette without pitting bets against each other?
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June 25th, 2016 at 6:59:02 AM permalink
Quote: mbrother11

r-- will come in, so in a way he is still betting AGAINST my bet.

Now I realize we could just bet at different tables, but we are going on vacation to have fun together, so want to be at same table...anyone have suggestions how spouses can play roulette without pitting bets against each other?



If you both bet on the same numbers/colours etc, your bets will be corelated: That is, at the end of the night, you might have collectively lost more than the average better or won more than the average better. You will likely be a long way away from the average expected value ( which is a 2/38th loss on average.
If you religiously and consistently bet against each other, e.g. red/black, then your collective result will be closer to the average EV. So it boils down to

Do you want a night where you lose 2/38 for sure. collectively? Or do you want a chance of coming out either collectively much richer or much poorer. You don't get to decide if it's richer or poorer: That's where the luck comes in.
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June 25th, 2016 at 7:37:45 AM permalink
2 people betting with a shared bankroll is the same as 1 person betting with their own bankroll. There's no way to change the house edge doing that.
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June 25th, 2016 at 7:42:20 AM permalink
Quote: mbrother11

I totally agree with those who say there is no "system" that can beat roulette, as there is always the house advantage, and the 'ball' has no memory....with that said, I am hoping someone can discuss with me a mathematical way that two people (i.e., husband and wife) should play roulette together. For instance, let's suppose that I always put $10 on whatever number just came up...just cuz I like to hope for a repeater! Now if my hubby always puts $10 on another number, then he is in effect "betting against me, since both our numbers cannot come up on next spin. But if he just bets the same number as me, then we're just betting $20 that a repeater will happen...we either both win or both lose on the next spin. So logically it seems to me that he should make a bet that can win even if i don't -- for instance, if bet on 23, and he bets on red, then if 23 does not come up, he can still win on any other red number, but if 23 does come up, we both win! Or he could bet on the middle 12 numbers, or on the middle column ..

Of course, other factors come in...if i bet on 23, and he bets on the middle column, then he is betting on a column that has only four red numbers in it, while I am hoping that the 23 -- a RED number-- will come in, so in a way he is still betting AGAINST my bet.

Now I realize we could just bet at different tables, but we are going on vacation to have fun together, so want to be at same table...anyone have suggestions how spouses can play roulette without pitting bets against each other?

While roulette can be fun for many it's over 5% house advantage on a double zero roulette table.
It may be slower than other games so that's something to consider and it's normal for people to sit out a few spins.

I suggest you guys look into Blackjack. You can even bring a strategy card to the table. There's always craps too.
.25 and up Video poker can be played at 99.54% - 100.7% You can bring a strategy card too. Yes VP is more of a solo game, but I see friends and couples playing next to each other alternating back and forth watching one another for a few hands. Finding one with a double up can be fun and there's no house advantage on the double up feature. You can even make a game within the game between yourself. Like guessing more red or black cards, over under etc etc. Various places have new members deals, promotions or various coupon books that are an advantage. Perhaps a book like the frugal gambler might come in handy. If done right people can stay, eat for free and even play with an advantage. It's harder nowadays, but it's possible.

I highly suggest The Plaza they have good VP and a $500 loss rebate.
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June 25th, 2016 at 8:18:43 AM permalink
A husband that bets on one number, and a wife that bets on a different number, is not that much different than a single bettor who bets on two different numbers at once.

Betting against each other? What's the harm in that?

I would simply say, go ahead and bet against each other, with whatever systems or lucky numbers you each decide to use. At the end of the night, you'll probably both add up what you've got left, and one of you will celebrate being the lesser of the two losers. LOL.

Have fun!
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June 25th, 2016 at 8:41:12 AM permalink
My gf and I recently started a roulette bet tradition which is a variation of another older couple's bet that was mentioned on the you can bet on that podcast. This couple goes to a casino for their wedding anniversary every year and makes one $100 bet on whichever number marks how many years they've been married. They were up to #31 and I believe they had hit it 7 or 8 times over the years. Not sure what they'll do on their 37th, perhaps get a divorce?

Since this will be our 3rd time going to Las Vegas next week, our first bet in Nevada will be $50 on #3. Win or lose we walk away after that. Just a fun little thing we do.
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June 25th, 2016 at 9:16:47 AM permalink
I know one couple: he plays roulette, she plays fruit machines. Some days none, one or both have a good day.

However let's assume you're both playing your own number(s) then technically you could both win in an evening if your number(s) were tending to come up more often than expected. So say one bet #7 and the other #11 then a run like 0 7 24 11 36 11 8 7 would suit both of you, whereas 0 21 32 13 24 5 26 18 wouldn't.

Mathematically, I'd recommend against making any bet on a double-zero table; but then I'm biassed that US casinos shouldn't be that stingy.
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June 26th, 2016 at 6:03:26 AM permalink
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... Now I realize we could just bet at different tables, but we are going on vacation to have fun together, so want to be at same table...anyone have suggestions how spouses can play roulette without pitting bets against each other?



Playing at one table as if playing at several tables is an interesting problem. These two approaches should work:

Completely Random
Both of you need to choose a new random number every roll.
Either you prepare lists of random numbers for each of you bring to the table or you spot numbers from neighboring tables. Of course each of you should observe a different table.
With that number you are free to then bet on any of the chances that includes this random number: High/Low, Even/Odd, Red/Black, Dozen, Column, Double Street, Square, Street, Split, Straight.

Simulated Randomness
Choose different numbers 36 times (single zero wheel) or 37 times (double zero wheel) and choose the same number every 37th roll (38th roll for double zero wheel).
Choose to bet on any of the chances as described above.

Of course you will have wins on the same roll or only one of you will win on the same roll. But this does not mean your betting against each other. It is as if you were playing at different tables and both winning at the same time or only one of you winning at any one time.
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June 26th, 2016 at 9:12:32 PM permalink
Thanks so much for your reply.
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