odd1
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December 5th, 2013 at 8:15:34 AM permalink
I was just given a new administrative rule from gambling control. The whole rule simply reads: "A dynamic determination of altered play, based on pre-defined probability, can be made after a game is initiated and prior to the first draw/spin of a free game."

I think I know what they are saying but that is only because I know the history of gaming in this state. If you did not have a background with the state, this would be difficult to interpret.

What do you think it means?
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December 5th, 2013 at 8:25:15 AM permalink
You can deem someone an advantage player based upon their initial bet as opposed to their actions after a card has been dealt.
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December 5th, 2013 at 8:49:21 AM permalink
We can shut your ass down anytime, Except during an active round/hand.
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December 5th, 2013 at 9:14:53 AM permalink
I think Flea has the right translation.

I just don't know how they can accomplish that goal.
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December 5th, 2013 at 9:56:21 AM permalink
I think it means that, just because someone got a bet down doesn't mean the house has to accept the bet. They can still bounce the player and make him pick up his money. And the dynamics don't have to be limited to a perception or awareness of AP, though it's possible that's who it's aimed at. Maybe the guy is drunk and disruptive, off-putting to the other players, undesirable at the table in some other way. And I would guess them calling it off would be enough, even if the dealer hasn't said "no more bets" or the dice are already being thrown by someone else.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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December 5th, 2013 at 10:03:19 AM permalink
Before this goes any further, let me give some background.

This is in Montana, which has VP, Video Keno, and Video Slots.

Altered Play = A bonus round where the base game is played with altered settings. For instance, in keno, a game's results can be multiplied or extra balls drawn.
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December 5th, 2013 at 11:33:16 AM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

Before this goes any further, let me give some background.

This is in Montana, which has VP, Video Keno, and Video Slots.

Altered Play = A bonus round where the base game is played with altered settings. For instance, in keno, a game's results can be multiplied or extra balls drawn.



Well then, I don't know what the hell it means. Thanks for the non-clarification, CM! :)
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
odd1
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December 5th, 2013 at 4:21:44 PM permalink
My best guess is as follows:

You can have a random event that determines game play that occurs after the start button is pressed , but before the game is played as long as the pool of that random event was fixed and calculable.

For instance - after the start button was pressed in a keno game there was a wheel that had prizes like: 2x, 3x, 4x, 2 extra draws, 3 extra draws and 5 extra draw (each spot on the wheel has a weight of 1). After this spin the game of keno would then start.

Note: It would have made more sense if the original post would have stated that this was a VGM rule.
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December 5th, 2013 at 6:03:16 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

You can deem someone an advantage player based upon their initial bet as opposed to their actions after a card has been dealt.


I would go one step further; you can deem someone an AP based on any bet before any cards are dealt for that particular hand.

I think the phrase "free game" is what is most confusing - the only time the phrase appears in Nevada's gaming regulations is a reference to a slot machine that gives free spins.
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December 5th, 2013 at 7:55:28 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

I would go one step further; you can deem someone an AP based on any bet before any cards are dealt for that particular hand.

I think the phrase "free game" is what is most confusing - the only time the phrase appears in Nevada's gaming regulations is a reference to a slot machine that gives free spins.

I'm not sure how anyone has interpreted this to having anything to do with advantage play or kicking someone out.
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