31 or ???

Suppose you had a game with 9 suits with 16 cards in each suit. The value of the suits are as followed : (K)ing 15, (Q)ueen 14, (B)ishop 13, (C)avalier 12, (J)ack 11, (T)ower 10, (9) , (8), (7), (6), (5), (4), (3), (2), (A)ce, (?) Joker. The Joker is special it can be 0 , 8, or 16. So that's 144 cards in play. Lets say your trying to reach the value of "31" So, (King + Joker) would be an automatic win.

I kind of had a AH-HA moment. This is basically based on the old game of "Twenty-One" They had a deck of 40 cards. They did not have 10's, 9's, and 8's and value of the cards were as followed : King (10), Queen (9), Deputy Sheriff (8), 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, A The Ace was special it could be 1 or 11. That was truly a great game. (King + Queen) = 19.

I'm basically trying to make a game better than BlackJack. What are the most popular games in Casinos? Slots and BlackJack.

My first question is : What are the odds for getting a Gold King and Gold Joker. I'm trying to figure out a good payout. The gold suit is the special odd ball in my 9 suits. It's like the Trump suit in Tarot Cards. So, there is only 1 gold Joker and 1 gold King in the 144 cards in play. It's kind of like being dealt the Ace of Spades and any other black jack (Jack of Clubs, Jack of Spades) and it gave you 10 to 1 on your money.

This might mess with the house odds, but a dealer Joker is always 8 or 16 never 0. In fact, if the dealer shows a joker in the hole cards. That Joker is 16. If the dealer is dealt (?,?). The value would be 24 (16 + 8). Which brings up an interesting fact. Would the dealer have to stand at 24? I know this is a hard question. In regular blackjack, the dealer stands at a soft17. I'm thinking the dealer should stand at 25, so he should take another card if he got (?,?) Sorta like having 16 in BlackJack.

Would also like to make it to where if a player reached exactly "31" with 6 cards or more. It's a bonus...

You can't make a game better than Blackjack.
Unless you're Geoff Hall.

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" I kind of had a AH-HA moment. " You will feel better after a good night's sleep.

Paigowdan - Thank-you. You learn something every day. I never knew about "BlackJack Switch" which goes with my strategy in the old days. I used to count cards too and always played 2 hands hopefully one of them at third base. (2-6) +1 (7-9) 0 (10-A) -1 I doubled the bet when at +10. If greater than +10, divide the number of decks left in the shoe * my base bet. So, If at +20 (which does not happen often) and if there were 4 decks left in the shoe and if my base bet is $25. I would bet $125 with each hand. But with this game "BlackJack Switch" the house pushes at 22 and it's better to hit on "13" when the dealer shows a "2" Well, that seems like artificial house odds to me. I'm trying to keep it simple and fun, but with anything the house as to have the advantage....

The moment that you add complexity to Blackjack, you lose a bunch of people. Face cards = 10, that's easy to get, easy to add up. Anything beyond that you won't be able to find enough competent dealers to deliver your game much less players who can keep up. You start adding towers an bishops and I want to play chess or have my future told.

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You can't make a game better than Blackjack.

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Paigowdan - Thank-you. You learn something every day. I never knew about "BlackJack Switch" which goes with my strategy in the old days. I used to count cards too and always played 2 hands hopefully one of them at third base. (2-6) +1 (7-9) 0 (10-A) -1 I doubled the bet when at +10. If greater than +10, divide the number of decks left in the shoe * my base bet. So, If at +20 (which does not happen often) and if there were 4 decks left in the shoe and if my base bet is $25. I would bet $125 with each hand. But with this game "BlackJack Switch" the house pushes at 22 and it's better to hit on "13" when the dealer shows a "2" Well, that seems like artificial house odds to me. I'm trying to keep it simple and fun, but with anything the house as to have the advantage....

Thank you - I didn't mean to be glib, I was serious.

The Classic games - Blackjack, Craps, Baccarat, and Roulette stood the test of time because they were simple (aside from craps), well-known, perfected over the eons, and are next to impossible to replace. And they are really very simple. THIS - the existing knowledge base - has become the currency of casino games. Gold Towers, special decks, too many changes, etc., is not keeping it simple.

Gamblers are extremely reluctant to learn or trust radically new games; the new games that make it are close variations, or are fixes, side bets, or additions that keep the base game essentially the same, but with a simple new catch, and that's all, for the most part. Less is way more, and more is way less.

You got TEN SECONDS to explain your game so that the catch is learned by the player, and is ready to go. Else they glaze over and walk to a game that they already know cold.


Blackjack Switch = is the same Blackjack, but with two hands where you can swap the second card between the hands.
Freebet Blackjack = is the same Blackjack, but the splits and doubles are free.
EZ Baccarat = it's Baccarat, but with no commission.
EZ Pai Gow = it's Pai Gow Poker, but with no commission.
High Card Flush = it's poker flush hands, where the longest and strongest flush wins.
Three Card Poker = it's poker hands of three cards in length.
Roulette = pick a number or color
etc., etc., etc.

Side bets:
Lucky Ladies = it pays on 20's.
21+3 = It's Blackjack with the pair plus bet.
Fortune/Dynasty/Treasure bet = it pays on a three of a kind or better.
etc., etc., etc.

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Gamblers are extremely reluctant to learn or trust radically new games; the new games that make it are close variations, or are fixes, side bets, or additions that keep the base game essentially the same, but with a simple new catch, and that's all, for the most part. Less is way more, and more is way less.

You got TEN SECONDS to explain your game so that the catch is learned by the player, and is ready to go. Else they glaze over and walk to a game that they already know cold.

This is so true - I am going to quote this in my rules of game design.

Well said - thank you.

Tweaked the rules a bit. Found out auto shufflers hold only 4 decks for 208 cards in play. Anyone know the maximum amount of cards auto shufflers can hold? Can it be 288?

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Tweaked the rules a bit. Found out auto shufflers hold only 4 decks for 208 cards in play. Anyone know the maximum amount of cards auto shufflers can hold? Can it be 288?

There's lots of places with 6 and 8 deck auto-shuffled BJ games. So 312 and 416 must work in the shufflers. I'd assume that 288 could work then, too.

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What if you invented a new game of Texas Hold'em. It would have a total of 60 cards. Basically, you add 2 new court cards. So now, if you got a Royal Flush it would look like Royalty. The layout would be (K)ing, (Q)ueen, (B)ishop, ©avalier, (J)ack, (10), (9), (8), (7), (6), (5), (4), (3), (2), (A)ce.

The only rule that changes is now pocket (2,2)'s now bet pocket (A,A)'s The King is now the highest value card.

I'm interested in knowing the odds that change from a 52 card deck to a 60 card deck in a game of Texas Hold'em. What are the odds of getting a pocket pair in the hole? What are the odds of getting a flush or straight with 8 more cards in the deck? It would be worth it to me to know the odds. I'm starting to go to home games with the demo decks. If the odds are posted in a list of 52cards vs 60cards and verified by a member. I would like to send you a demo deck at my expense.

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Coming Soon. http://www.unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1704

What if you invented a new game of Texas Hold'em. It would have a total of 60 cards. Basically, you add 2 new court cards. So now, if you got a Royal Flush it would look like Royalty. The layout would be (K)ing, (Q)ueen, (B)ishop, ©avalier, (J)ack, (10), (9), (8), (7), (6), (5), (4), (3), (2), (A)ce.

The only rule that changes is now pocket (2,2)'s now bet pocket (A,A)'s The King is now the highest value card.

I'm interested in knowing the odds that change from a 52 card deck to a 60 card deck in a game of Texas Hold'em. What are the odds of getting a pocket pair in the hole? What are the odds of getting a flush or straight with 8 more cards in the deck? It would be worth it to me to know the odds. I'm starting to go to home games with the demo decks. If the odds are posted in a list of 52cards vs 60cards and verified by a member. I would like to send you a demo deck at my expense.

Sprouts,

FWIW, my game was presented and successfully sold with K high, A low. The FIRST change (and really the only one) the distributor insisted on was A high, not low. So you may want to be, at the least, flexible about card ranks. And I wish you luck with your new game!

I haven't read everything.. But there is a member on here and one who exhibited his game Lucky 13s BJ at G2E, which has a modified deck, with 11s, 12s, and 13s in the deck. I feel like yours and his would conflict even with the dif mod deck. Something to look into...

Also, the game 31 already exists. If you name your game 31 anything, you confuse players if not offering 31 as they know it.

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I haven't read everything.. But there is a member on here and one who exhibited his game Lucky 13s BJ at G2E, which has a modified deck, with 11s, 12s, and 13s in the deck. I feel like yours and his would conflict even with the dif mod deck. Something to look into...

Also, the game 31 already exists. If you name your game 31 anything, you confuse players if not offering 31 as they know it.

TBH, I couldn't figure out the link between what he's proposing and the number 31. THE with extra ranks doesn't seem to equate to 31 anythings.

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Coming Soon. http://www.unitedcardists.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1704

What if you invented a new game of Texas Hold'em. It would have a total of 60 cards. Basically, you add 2 new court cards. So now, if you got a Royal Flush it would look like Royalty. The layout would be (K)ing, (Q)ueen, (B)ishop, ©avalier, (J)ack, (10), (9), (8), (7), (6), (5), (4), (3), (2), (A)ce.

The only rule that changes is now pocket (2,2)'s now bet pocket (A,A)'s The King is now the highest value card.

I'm interested in knowing the odds that change from a 52 card deck to a 60 card deck in a game of Texas Hold'em. What are the odds of getting a pocket pair in the hole? What are the odds of getting a flush or straight with 8 more cards in the deck? It would be worth it to me to know the odds. I'm starting to go to home games with the demo decks. If the odds are posted in a list of 52cards vs 60cards and verified by a member. I would like to send you a demo deck at my expense.

Any wrap around straights? Normal poker has the wheel. Do you have a similar straight?

No warp around straights. The Ace is always low. You would have the wheel though. (5), (4), (3), (2), (A)ce, But the High straight would be (K), (Q), (B), ©, (J).

Found a great source. So, I'm trying to plug in some numbers. With the Ace being low, it does change things slightly with straights.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability_(Texas_hold_'em)

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I'm still looking for the stats for this 60 + 4 Joker deck to be used in a Texas Hold'em game. If two columns are made with a regular deck and this new deck and I can see the difference in the odds. I'll send you 2 decks at my shipping expense. It would be well worth it for me to know the odds when I'm going to home games. I'm just looking for the basic odds like on Wikipedia.

I had 5 spare minutes so here are the 5 card outcomes using the 60 card deck no jokers:

Hand	Ways	Probability
Royal Flush	4	0.00000073
Straight Flush	40	0.00000732
Quads	840	0.00015380
Fullshouse	5040	0.00092282
Flush	11968	0.00219133
Straight	11220	0.00205438
Trips	87360	0.01599557
Two Pair	196560	0.03599003
Pair	2096640	0.38389369
Others	3051840	0.55879031
Total	5461512	1.00000000

Using best 5 of 7 cards can't be done quickly in Excel. I'd have to write a program for that. PM for my fee.