April 9th, 2011 at 12:37:56 AM
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The laser scam cheatat roulette is widely circulated. Numerous places predict that you can study decay rates with laser data, and thus pick a pie slice of the wheel where the ball will land.
The secondary player puts a number of last minute bets on these numbers and always wins with one of them.
The biggest problem is that you only get a few data points with your device. Although you can fit these points to a curve, you will have a margin of error. If your device was hooked up overhead, it might be possible, but you don't have that luxury.
The problem that I see is that your margin of error will always be big enough that you won't be able to eliminate any part of the wheel.
In reality, if you had a working device, what you would do, is use it to eliminate 4 or 5 possibilities. That would give you the 5%-8% advantage over the casino. That's far more than you could get with a card counting scheme. Ramdomly place 35-1 bets in a few places except those that are forbidden. Over course of time, you will come up ahead. But trying to cover a pie slice and win every time would be pitifully easy to see by an alerted surveillance operator.
The secondary player puts a number of last minute bets on these numbers and always wins with one of them.
The biggest problem is that you only get a few data points with your device. Although you can fit these points to a curve, you will have a margin of error. If your device was hooked up overhead, it might be possible, but you don't have that luxury.
The problem that I see is that your margin of error will always be big enough that you won't be able to eliminate any part of the wheel.
In reality, if you had a working device, what you would do, is use it to eliminate 4 or 5 possibilities. That would give you the 5%-8% advantage over the casino. That's far more than you could get with a card counting scheme. Ramdomly place 35-1 bets in a few places except those that are forbidden. Over course of time, you will come up ahead. But trying to cover a pie slice and win every time would be pitifully easy to see by an alerted surveillance operator.
April 9th, 2011 at 1:08:59 AM
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Quote: pacomartinThat would give you the 5%-8% advantage over the casino. .
And 5 years in NV state prison.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 9th, 2011 at 2:23:02 AM
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The five years would be more memorable for you than the dealer's standing there and not noticing your consistently making a winning last-minute bet and that such bets you made were by octets.
Knowing how to predict an octet based on a perceived decay in rotational speed would be great. Apparently there was an MIT versus Stanford (and theoretical physicists versus practical physicists) competition about this in the sixties. Some scientists wanted to publish a paper about it as a theoretical notion whereas other scientists said don't give away our source of income. Eudaemonic Pie, I think.
One of their trial sessions with a pair of eyeglasses equipped with LED's giving a display of a shoe-computer's results had them ahead but virtually instantly noticed as betting by octets. One of the physics students chatted about being a system player and about some imaginary losses the day before, but there was still a degree of suspicion in the air from both the casino and the other players.
Now I see no reason why someone's naked eye could not be trained to mentally calculate a decay rate. Tired lab technicians performing tests involving placing a urine sample into a machine are able to use subtle olfactory clues. I don't see why a tired player would not be able to select octets based on perceived decay if there had been some biofeedback training. Let the computer select the octet, then the player selects the octet and gets a good/bad feedback signal. I'd sure believe in this "skill" before I'd ever believe in "muscle memory" for tossing a pair of tumbling dice into the distant frets.
Knowing how to predict an octet based on a perceived decay in rotational speed would be great. Apparently there was an MIT versus Stanford (and theoretical physicists versus practical physicists) competition about this in the sixties. Some scientists wanted to publish a paper about it as a theoretical notion whereas other scientists said don't give away our source of income. Eudaemonic Pie, I think.
One of their trial sessions with a pair of eyeglasses equipped with LED's giving a display of a shoe-computer's results had them ahead but virtually instantly noticed as betting by octets. One of the physics students chatted about being a system player and about some imaginary losses the day before, but there was still a degree of suspicion in the air from both the casino and the other players.
Now I see no reason why someone's naked eye could not be trained to mentally calculate a decay rate. Tired lab technicians performing tests involving placing a urine sample into a machine are able to use subtle olfactory clues. I don't see why a tired player would not be able to select octets based on perceived decay if there had been some biofeedback training. Let the computer select the octet, then the player selects the octet and gets a good/bad feedback signal. I'd sure believe in this "skill" before I'd ever believe in "muscle memory" for tossing a pair of tumbling dice into the distant frets.
April 9th, 2011 at 2:31:59 AM
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Book was reissued in paperback in 2000. Author is Thomas A. Bass, one of the original team. He is now a writer published in the New Yorker and Wired. Lives in NYC and Paris. Originally releases as a hardback in 1984.
Eudaemonic Pie:
Paperback: 336 pages
Publisher: IUniverse (November 2, 2000)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0595142362
ISBN-13: 978-0595142361
Product Dimensions: 9 x 6 x 0.8 inches
Shipping Weight: 15.2 ounces
Average Customer Review: 3.9 out of 5 stars
Also authored by Thomas A. Bass:
The Predictors ... investment analysis tools such as employed by Annie Duke's sister author of A Girlhood Amongst Gamblers.
Camping with the Prince... scientific studies in Africa
The Spy Who Loved Us ... the Time Magazine mole in Vietnam who admired Americans and was an impeccable journalist but who was also a North Vietnamese spy passing information and documents to a Viet Cong contact for over a decade.
Eudaemonic Pie:
Paperback: 336 pages
Publisher: IUniverse (November 2, 2000)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0595142362
ISBN-13: 978-0595142361
Product Dimensions: 9 x 6 x 0.8 inches
Shipping Weight: 15.2 ounces
Average Customer Review: 3.9 out of 5 stars
Also authored by Thomas A. Bass:
The Predictors ... investment analysis tools such as employed by Annie Duke's sister author of A Girlhood Amongst Gamblers.
Camping with the Prince... scientific studies in Africa
The Spy Who Loved Us ... the Time Magazine mole in Vietnam who admired Americans and was an impeccable journalist but who was also a North Vietnamese spy passing information and documents to a Viet Cong contact for over a decade.
April 9th, 2011 at 2:45:15 AM
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huh, there's a site called roulette scam dot com?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder