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February 4th, 2024 at 1:02:38 PM permalink
Hey Folks,

My wife and I are back in Las Vegas for March break which runs March 10th to the 14th this year.

Car rental prices are nuts on the standard rental agencies. I'm a Dollar Express member and they want $369 for my dates for an electric car. If I want gas it's even more.

I search around Expedia and Kemwel and Fox Rent A Car seems to be cheap. They're quoting $228.

I've seen in a few spots that Fox doesn't get great ratings. I know you've got to take a second shuttle to get to them so I suspect that impacts their ratings, and there've been other complaints about their service.

Anyone here used them recently? What was your experience?

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February 4th, 2024 at 2:02:28 PM permalink
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Hey Folks,

My wife and I are back in Las Vegas for March break which runs March 10th to the 14th this year.

Car rental prices are nuts on the standard rental agencies. I'm a Dollar Express member and they want $369 for my dates for an electric car. If I want gas it's even more.

I search around Expedia and Kemwel and Fox Rent A Car seems to be cheap. They're quoting $228.

I've seen in a few spots that Fox doesn't get great ratings. I know you've got to take a second shuttle to get to them so I suspect that impacts their ratings, and there've been other complaints about their service.

Anyone here used them recently? What was your experience?

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The second shuttle is a real negative. On recent trip to Palm Springs the Ďregularí companies were ridiculously high. I tried a ĎTUROí and will use them again. I got a bigger, better car for less than 1/2 of what it would have been with a traditional company. As soon as I picked up luggage I called the number, and within 5 minutes a guy pulls up in a van. 3 minute ride to my car. The guy just handed me the keys and on our way.
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February 4th, 2024 at 3:09:57 PM permalink
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The second shuttle is a real negative. On recent trip to Palm Springs the Ďregularí companies were ridiculously high. I tried a ĎTUROí and will use them again. I got a bigger, better car for less than 1/2 of what it would have been with a traditional company. As soon as I picked up luggage I called the number, and within 5 minutes a guy pulls up in a van. 3 minute ride to my car. The guy just handed me the keys and on our way.
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Thanks! That second shuttle does sound aggravating.

TURO looks like some sort of car sharing service and I'm not sure I'm brave enough to try.

I might cough up and book with Dollar, but the other alternative is to just take cabs everywhere which will likely end up cheaper than the $370 quote I'm getting from Dollar. Makes getting to spots like Red Rock Resort and Casino, Marche Bacchus, and Red Rock Canyon trickier.

I'm a little hesitant to book an electric car too. I've never driven one. We're currently booked with MGM Park, but if Wynn relents and gives us a decent offer we'll switch. Both spots have electric charging stations so I should be OK for charging.

I'll wait on Dollar and see if they drop their prices.

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February 4th, 2024 at 3:26:21 PM permalink
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TURO looks like some sort of car sharing service and I'm not sure I'm brave enough to try.



Iím not particularly Ďbraveí on this type of thing.

I spoke for the few minutes while we were being driven to our car with the driver. He was not the owner of the car I was Ďsharingí as you call it. He was hired by a bunch of owners to do this shuttle. He said the owner of my car has a fleet of around a dozen he bought, and exclusively rents on TURO. So in my case, I wasnít really renting from a guy who just happened to have a spare car; it was a de facto business.

If it didnít work for some reason, I would have went to the counter of Avis/Hertz/Budget/National and taken my medicine. If you are considering taxis as a backup plan, I see no reason you wouldnít try Turo.
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February 4th, 2024 at 5:37:48 PM permalink
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If you are considering taxis as a backup plan, I see no reason you wouldnít try Turo.
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Thanks I'll give TURO some thought. The credit card I use includes the Collision Damage Waiver so I never buy it from the car rental company. I wonder if TURO still qualifies for CDW coverage from the credit card. I'll have to do some research.

On our 30th wedding anniversary trip to Las Vegas in July 2021, we used cabs exclusively. It worked out well.

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February 5th, 2024 at 5:41:12 AM permalink
I rent a car probably 25 times a year and I have never paid for the CDW. Many credit cards cover it and if you have Comprehensive coverage on your personal vehicles your insurance company will cover it. There are some exceptions for foreign countries.
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February 5th, 2024 at 10:12:57 AM permalink
Never ever rent from Fox. Even if they're $100 cheaper!

I've used them in the past and it was a horrible experience.
The last time that I rented, they didn't have the full size car that I had booked. But they offered to put me into a smaller car for only $10 more per day. Yes, a smaller car!

My suggestion, stick with Dollar, Avis, or Hertz. Stay away from the sub carriers.
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February 5th, 2024 at 12:22:53 PM permalink
November 2023, I needed a car rental for a one day business trip. There were rentals ranging from $30. to over $100. I picked one around the middle, after checking specific online reviews for the rental car agencies for that specific pick up location / airport. The least expensive ones included a two shuttle trip to the pick up lot, and mentioned waits of up to 3 hours standing in line to get a car.

I went with Alamo, which had great reviews for getting in and out quickly, and indeed there was no line to get the car and a minimal wait. Still came in at $68. out the door total for a one day rental (not including gas).

In Spring 2022, we rented a car for a full month for a vacation trip (not Vegas), and used Turo, which came in at about $94. per day net total for a compact SUV. Three years earlier, pre-pandemic, same type of car, same location, was $52. a day net after all taxes and fees, from Thrifty (booked via HotWire).

Prices for rental cars have dropped from their peak a couple years ago, but unless youíre willing to wait around youíre not getting twenty thirty dollar rentals.

Via AMEX Platinum I have memberships at all the top tiers for all the rental car agencies, but nothing beats HotWire for prices. You may apparently still get a rental car Ė from somewhere Ė for $22. plus tax for those dates you mention via HotWire. The wait and convenience are of course the possible issues when you pick the least expensive choice.

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February 5th, 2024 at 1:13:54 PM permalink
On Hollywood Blvd. you see convertible Ferraris parked with a "Rent me for $89." sign. Probably...for twenty minutes If it were anywhere near that for a full day, there wouldn't be any parked Ferraris at all.

Of course, Al Pacino paid $2000. to drive one around the corner in Scent of a Woman.
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February 6th, 2024 at 6:25:19 PM permalink
Well Dollar dropped to $300 for the trip with an electric car. I bit the bullet and booked it.

I've never driven an electric car so this will be interesting. I wonder what "bringing it back full" means with an electric car.

We've switched hotels to the Wynn as they've also changed their deal such that it was within $150 of the Park MGM deal. Wynn has electric charging stations so it shouldn't be a problem to charge the car.

Flights, hotel, and transportation are all booked. Now I'll have to look into entertainment.

Thanks for all your suggestions folks,

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February 6th, 2024 at 9:46:08 PM permalink
Bon voyage!

When I rented an electric car from Hertz last year, they gave the option of paying to return it uncharged, which I took because I'd never charged a car. Plus, the agent at check-in didn't have a list of nearby charging stations ó he said "just Google it."

When I picked up the car, I noticed that it was only charged to 79%. I asked about it and the attendant said it's never 100% and to return it charged at least 70-80% if you haven't pre-paid.
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February 7th, 2024 at 3:09:44 AM permalink
Fox Rental Car absolutely blows. I mean you'll probably get a car. A lot of times you may have to wait for a car to get cleaned because someone just returned it and they don't have much inventory. Super long lines, too.

Sometimes it's not too bad, at least the line and whether they have a good amount of cars available. Probably not for the SB weekend though. Good luck!
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February 7th, 2024 at 3:14:56 AM permalink
I was just in Vegas, and I hopped in a Uber to go to a location in Henderson to rent my car. Don't have cost figures at my fingertips, but I do know the price for a 13 day rental came to about $650. Uber was about 25 plus tip.

Think outside the box. You don't HAVE to rent a car at the airport.
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February 7th, 2024 at 8:53:20 AM permalink
I rented a car yesterday and this was the first time I was given an electric car. I got a Polestar 2 and it seems fine to me. It is very techy like a Tesla.

I really think before they rent on to somebody the should go through the car with them with some basic explanations. I got in the car and drove to my office without any problems. When I got to the office and pulled into my parking space I tried putting the car in Park. Unfortunately the shifter does not go into park. Then I realized since it is electro you probably donít need to put it in park. I went to shut off the car and couldnít figure that out either. No button, no key. I take my foot off the brake and the car starts moving forward so I canít get out. I then Google it and there is a button labeled ďPĒ for park. I press that and the car stays where it is but is still turned on. It turns out that you just open the car door and it shuts off. Now that I know this I am not unhappy with the car.
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February 7th, 2024 at 10:12:32 AM permalink
I keep an electric sports car in Vegas (I experience real world around 220 miles range on it, so it's not a state to state commute car for me), and we have a plug in hybrid at our home in California. HelpMeSpock posted about how he'll just park at Wynn and use their charging stations for his rented electric. One factor when driving around in an electric car is that the public charging spots, especially the free ones, seem to be usually occupied. Yes, there are some free charging stations out there.

I'd be interesting in hearing if the charging spots in the Wynn parking lot are freely available. At Venetian self park most of the spots I've noticed are occupied. Venetian self park usually offers more convenient access to the rooms because the Venetian main entrance valet is so far from the room elevators for the main tower, so I am in that Venetian garage a lot and notice how many charging parking spots are open.

At Wynn, I rarely enter the parking garage because I may free valet park at Tower Suites anytime, whether staying in the hotel or not, which is why I'm not aware of how accessible those charging stations will be.
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February 7th, 2024 at 3:44:37 PM permalink
I'll let folks know how the electric car goes for the trip. It'll be in the trip reports section though when I write it up.

I was talking with a co-worker about her experience with her Tesla. She was claiming that the Tesla superchargers cost you a premium. She's got a Honda Civic as her other car and she gets 6.5L/100km with it. So at $1.39/L of gas it costs $9.04 for 100km range. The Tesla superchargers cost her about $8 for 100km range. Not much savings.

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February 7th, 2024 at 7:07:53 PM permalink
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I'll let folks know how the electric car goes for the trip. It'll be in the trip reports section though when I write it up.

I was talking with a co-worker about her experience with her Tesla. She was claiming that the Tesla superchargers cost you a premium. She's got a Honda Civic as her other car and she gets 6.5L/100km with it. So at $1.39/L of gas it costs $9.04 for 100km range. The Tesla superchargers cost her about $8 for 100km range. Not much savings.

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Gotta do what a friend does. Has solar panels on his houseís roof. Charges two cars every night. Never needs to pay for gas or electricity. (One car for longer trips uses a gas engineÖ).

Let us know how you like the drive. Iíve never driven one. But Iím guessing Iíll only buy electric cars from now on.
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February 7th, 2024 at 7:13:16 PM permalink
It doesn't quite work that way. We have many panels on the roof of our California home, and even with the panels paid for you have to figure

(1) the cost of the panels
(2) the cost of the money
(3) that you still might get an electric bill at the end of each year depending on how much you use.


As far as my electric sports car, it is a very fast car, the 220 mile range makes it not so practical for long trips. The plug in hybrid is very practical.
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February 7th, 2024 at 7:50:16 PM permalink
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It doesn't quite work that way. We have many panels on the roof of our California home, and even with the panels paid for you have to figure

(1) the cost of the panels
(2) the cost of the money
(3) that you still might get an electric bill at the end of each year depending on how much you use.


As far as my electric sports car, it is a very fast car, the 220 mile range makes it not so practical for long trips. The plug in hybrid is very practical.
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Of course the cost of the panels, as well as their upkeep, would need to be figured in BEFORE you make a purely financial decision on whether to buy solar panels or not. He had the panels a few years before he bought the electric car. He actually bought the solar panels to be Ďgreení. He has a really big roof (ranch) and I think he generates enough to not have to pay for any electricity.

When ou say 220 mile range, how much does that go down with the AC blasting in 108 degree desert weather?
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February 7th, 2024 at 7:58:46 PM permalink
220 is what I average, it's supposed to get closer to 250.

To answer your question 😄 I've gotten as little as 200.
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February 7th, 2024 at 8:02:24 PM permalink
Never had a problem with Fox, though we generally get into LAS around 8:30am, ahead of a good deal of the crowds.

I've never waited more than 5-6 minutes for the second shuttle, and that second ride is short.
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February 8th, 2024 at 9:32:03 AM permalink
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Let us know how you like the drive. Iíve never driven one. But Iím guessing Iíll only buy electric cars from now on.
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Driving this Polestar I can say, if not told, it drives just like most cars. I wouldnít know it was electric drive if not told.
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February 8th, 2024 at 10:48:58 AM permalink
With my electric, which granted is a European sports car, it's not just that it goes 0 - 60 in about nothing, it's the fact that the acceleration and torque are available instantly including in the 0 - 30 portion of the jump. You don't notice that difference versus in a gasoline powered car? Comparing an electric to a gas turbo is especially pronounced.

Sometimes I just like to let the car ahead of me on a street like Desert Inn get ahead of me and then punch it, or rolling through Howard Hughes Pkwy if no one else is on it. Slow down, slam down the accelerator, it doesn't feel like too many gas powered cars!
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February 8th, 2024 at 11:28:28 AM permalink
Saw a Tesla with a personalized plate ZEROLAG. Thought that was clever
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February 8th, 2024 at 11:31:04 AM permalink
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February 8th, 2024 at 12:40:01 PM permalink
I will not be renting an electric car again. It took over an hour to charge from 60% to 95%. I can see why Hertz is selling theirs.

Also, Polestar doesnít have AM radio. I need my sports talk shows.
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February 8th, 2024 at 1:50:40 PM permalink
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I will not be renting an electric car again. It took over an hour to charge from 60% to 95%. I can see why Hertz is selling theirs.

Also, Polestar doesnít have AM radio. I need my sports talk shows.
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Washington Post: A bipartisan bill co-sponsored in the Senate by Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) and Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) would require car manufacturers to maintain AM broadcast radio by default in new vehicles, electric or not, at no additional charge.
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February 8th, 2024 at 5:10:52 PM permalink
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Let us know how you like the drive. Iíve never driven one. But Iím guessing Iíll only buy electric cars from now on.
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I'm thinking I'll have a specific section on the whole car thing in my trip report.

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Comparing an electric to a gas turbo is especially pronounced.

Sometimes I just like to let the car ahead of me on a street like Desert Inn get ahead of me and then punch it, or rolling through Howard Hughes Pkwy if no one else is on it. Slow down, slam down the accelerator, it doesn't feel like too many gas powered cars!
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Interesting! I said the same thing about turbo vs. non-turbo. I like the way the car accelerates with a turbo. Mind you my old car was a Toyota Corolla and I'm currently driving a Lincoln MKZ. My wife used to have a Hyundai Veracruz SUV and now she's got an Acura RDX. Both new vehicles have a 2.0L engine with turbo. The linear acceleration at the pedal is very nice.

I'm curious to see how the electric car behaves now.

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I will not be renting an electric car again. It took over an hour to charge from 60% to 95%. I can see why Hertz is selling theirs.
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I'm not keen to hear this. I wonder if I just keep the darn thing plugged in and charging every time I'm parked at the hotel just to be safe.

Oh and on a side note it appears Dollar is really Hertz under the covers now. My Dollar Express membership stuff didn't seem to take when I booked the car even though I was logged in. I'll have to see if I still get Express treatment or not.

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February 8th, 2024 at 5:48:12 PM permalink
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Oh and on a side note it appears Dollar is really Hertz under the covers now. My Dollar Express membership stuff didn't seem to take when I booked the car even though I was logged in. I'll have to see if I still get Express treatment or not.



Yes, Dollar and Thrifty are subsidiaries of Hertz. The Polestar I have rented now is from Thrifty. Other than the charging I am pretty content with the car.
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February 8th, 2024 at 5:59:29 PM permalink
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Also, Polestar doesnít have AM radio.



I was pissed that I could not get a factory installed CD player when we bought a new Mazda CX-5 Turbo; I don't have a smart phone and don't / can't stream.

Sigh...such is the fate of a Luddite.
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February 8th, 2024 at 6:18:35 PM permalink
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Also, Polestar doesnít have AM radio.



I was pissed that I could not get a factory installed CD player when we bought a new Mazda CX-5 Turbo; I don't have a smart phone and don't / can't stream.

Sigh...such is the fate of a Luddite.
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About three years ago my wife made me get Sirius XM radio, My wife has it set on the Kenny Chesney station and I am not allowed to change it. Thankfully I travel every other week and can listen to my sports talk radio in the car (unless you get a Polestar, damn Swedes).
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February 8th, 2024 at 6:42:57 PM permalink
IIRC, Hertz' position was that the proportion of their rental fleet that was electric was larger than the share of the renters who want/would tolerate an electric car. Too many electric cars, too few renters who want one. Just as important was the horrendous repair costs per car which did not seem to be declining. Finally, with the Ford price cuts (and others), their true value of the electric fleet plummeted, making their continued rental (plus costs) truly uneconomical.

Not to mention fire danger, lack of chargers, and local government hassles.
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February 9th, 2024 at 5:48:05 AM permalink
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Yes, Dollar and Thrifty are subsidiaries of Hertz. The Polestar I have rented now is from Thrifty. Other than the charging I am pretty content with the car.
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I think the whole charging aspect and the length of time it takes is the big Achilles' Heel of the electric car. It takes 5 minutes or less to fill a car from empty.

My co-worker with the Telsa said she's afraid to let it get below 100km range. If she runs out of battery then the car needs a tow. If you run out of gas for your car you can bring a can of gas to the car.

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February 9th, 2024 at 6:02:18 AM permalink
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Yes, Dollar and Thrifty are subsidiaries of Hertz. The Polestar I have rented now is from Thrifty. Other than the charging I am pretty content with the car.
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I think the whole charging aspect and the length of time it takes is the big Achilles' Heel of the electric car. It takes 5 minutes or less to fill a car from empty.

My co-worker with the Telsa said she's afraid to let it get below 100km range. If she runs out of battery then the car needs a tow. If you run out of gas for your car you can bring a can of gas to the car.

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Iíd be nervous as well. Donít you think tow trucks will be able to charge them soon? Iím surprised they canít already?

Neighbor drove to Florida in a Tesla. She said there was an app which planned out exactly where and when to stop to charge and she said it went seamlessly. I think she said she would always have at least 50 miles left when she was recharging.

I think that if over 90% of your charging is done at home they will be convenient enough. If a large part of your driving is long trips not so muchÖ.
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February 9th, 2024 at 4:49:29 PM permalink
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Iíd be nervous as well. Donít you think tow trucks will be able to charge them soon? Iím surprised they canít already?

Neighbor drove to Florida in a Tesla. She said there was an app which planned out exactly where and when to stop to charge and she said it went seamlessly. I think she said she would always have at least 50 miles left when she was recharging.

I think that if over 90% of your charging is done at home they will be convenient enough. If a large part of your driving is long trips not so muchÖ.
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The problem with tow trucks and them giving you a charge is it takes way too much time. For a gas car, they'd give you a gallon maybe two and that'll take next to no time.

I understand there is a class action law suit against Tesla for lying about how much range you have left.

My co-worker takes her daughter to Windsor for hockey tournaments. It's about 300km one way. She fully charges to 100% for the trip, drops her daughter off, then has to drive 20 minutes across town to get to a Tesla supercharger, 20 minutes back, picks up her daughter, and then heads home.

She says around town it's fine as she charges at home and that's happening overnight.

Oh the other interesting tidbit she said is that she doesn't think she'll be further ahead financially with the electric car. It's a Model 3 and she got the Tesla charger installed at her house. The cost of the charger plus installation plus the cost of the car runs $70,000 CDN after the subsidy. She said her daughter is likely done hockey in the next three years so her usage of the car will drop to the point where it would have been more cost effective to buy a Honda Civic and pay for gas.

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