Nevada Black Book Question
My question is on the "Black Book" or in today's PC term the "List of Excluded Persons." While it is online for anyone to see, well, casinos are so huge these people can probably sneak in and play, short term anyways. Are the subject to arrest if they enter a casino property?
Also, what is the "grace period" for the casino to fnd and eject them? The fine for letting them on property is $100,000 or whatever it is now, but surely the NGCB doesn't expect the casino to stop them in the parking lot? Or do they?
Since seeing "Casino" I have always wondered about how this worked.
I've never seen "Casino," so maybe you can enlighten me.
Maybe I'm making bad assumptions here, but I kinda thought that if a casino excludes a person, and the person is found gambling again, it's simply a matter that the person gets thrown out again, with the option of prosection under the trespass law.
The only way I can imagine that the casino can be liable and/or fined is if the person voluntarily self-excluded himself, and there are laws stating that the casino has to be diligent about keeping such people out of the casino.
As far as where the property line / parking lot / etc., again I'm assuming, but I think it would be the same line as where minors cannot cross into the casino itself.
Quote: DJTeddyBearA fine for letting a blacklisted person on the property? That's news to me.
I've never seen "Casino," so maybe you can enlighten me.
Maybe I'm making bad assumptions here, but I kinda thought that if a casino excludes a person, and the person is found gambling again, it's simply a matter that the person gets thrown out again, with the option of prosection under the trespass law.
The only way I can imagine that the casino can be liable and/or fined is if the person voluntarily self-excluded himself, and there are laws stating that the casino has to be diligent about keeping such people out of the casino.
As far as where the property line / parking lot / etc., again I'm assuming, but I think it would be the same line as where minors cannot cross into the casino itself.
You are reading it wrong. The State of Nevada has excluded some people. Here is the list: http://gaming.nv.gov/loep_main.htm
In the Movie "Casino" Nicky Santoro (Tony Spilotro) (Joe Pesci) gets blackbooked and is not allowed in any casino in Nevada. To get around it he asks Sam Rothstein (Frank Rosenthal) (Robert DiMero), "suppose I want to have a sandwich in the restaurant which is attached to the casino?" The reply is, "You can't even be in the parking lot."
This of course, is a movie. But there is a black book and people are on it. I just wonder on the details.
Fact is, before I came back to this thread, I had visited http://gaming.nv.gov/loep_main.htm, and recognized a couple people from the Veags Cheaters shows.
So if one of those people are found in a casino, the casino can be fined? I still find that surprising.
Quote: Nevada Gaming Commission
28.090 Duty of licensee to exclude.
1. The area within a licensed gaming establishment that conducts pari-mutuel wagering or operates any horse race book, sports pool or games, other than slot machines only, from which an excluded person is to be excluded is every portion of said gaming establishment including but not limited to the casino, rooms, theater, bar, pool, lounge, showroom and all other related facilities of said gaming establishment.
2. Whenever an excluded person enters or attempts to enter or is upon the premises of a licensed gaming establishment that conducts pari-mutuel wagering or operates any horse race book, sports pool or games, other than slot machines only, and is recognized by the licensee, its agents or employees, then the licensee and its agents or employees must do the following:
(a) Immediately notify the board of the presence of the excluded person in any area of the gaming establishment;
(b) Request such excluded person to not enter or if on the premises to immediately leave;
(c) Notify the appropriate local law enforcement agency and the board if such excluded person fails to comply with the request of the licensee, its agents or employees.
3. Failure to request such excluded person to leave or to prohibit entry of such person upon its premises in a timely fashion or failure to properly notify the board of the presence of such excluded person is an unsuitable method of operation.
4. Catering to any excluded person, including the granting of complimentary room, food or beverage or the issuance of credit to any such person, by any licensed gaming establishment is an unsuitable method of operation.
NRS 463.154 Regulations requiring exclusion or ejection of certain persons from licensed establishments: Penalties for failure to exclude or eject.
The commission may revoke, limit, condition, suspend or fine an individual licensee or licensed gaming establishment which conducts pari-mutuel wagering or operates any race book, sports pool or games, other than slot machines only, in accordance with the laws of this state and the regulations of the commission, if that establishment or any individual licensee affiliated therewith knowingly fails to exclude or eject from the premises of the licensed establishment any person placed on the list of persons to be excluded or ejected.
NRS 463.155 Regulations requiring exclusion or ejection of certain persons from licensed establishments: Unlawful entry by person whose name has been placed on list; penalty.
Any person who has been placed on the list of persons to be excluded or ejected from any licensed gaming establishment pursuant to NRS 463.151 is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if he thereafter enters the premises of a licensed gaming establishment which conducts pari-mutuel wagering or operates any race book, sports pool or games, other than slot machines only, without first having obtained a determination by the commission that he should not have been placed on the list of persons to be excluded or ejected.
This list is different than the Griffin book which I assume would include all of the characters above plus thousands of those who have been excluded for cheating, extreme counting (continuing to play after being backed off), and advantage players. Those in the Griffin book would not be penalized nor would the casino be obliged to pay a fine if they allowed someone in that book to play.
