FleaStiff
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March 7th, 2012 at 4:54:02 AM permalink
Entry into a casino is one thing. The casino gets better mileage out of stopping someone from entering. Also, if they are walking in with a supersized bottle of cheap beer the casino probably feels they might as well nix that.

Once inside, its up to the server to follow the rules about serving alcohol and its well known that the tips are good when the necklines are low, the hour is late and gambler is thinking of the waitress when he should be thinking of how to even get off that chair without falling flat on his face.

CWs and sometimes dealers have 86'd people from the booze. Usually the Pit and Floor have found out who the guy is and where he is staying. Casinos mostly don't turn a guy off from the gambling though until it reaches a point where they know security is going to have to get the guy a wheel chair to get him away the table.
RaleighCraps
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March 7th, 2012 at 5:19:59 AM permalink
I have seen the Pit cut off players from any more drinks, but never from the table action. I have told this story here before, but at Paris one night a young guy was trying to play craps, and he was hammered. The fact that he really didn't know much about the game didn't help. Naturally, he was winning. Why doesn't the law of natural selection apply to gambling tables? Anyway, his buddy is with him and is trying to convince him to leave, since he is up a few hundred, but it's not happening. Finally, I watch as his buddy pinches a black chip from the rack, and drops it in his pocket. A few minutes later, he does it again.
The player is so drunk he has no idea. About the 4th time, the box sees the guy do it, and starts to say something to the player. The buddy realizes he's been busted and says, "He'll thank me when he sobers up tomorrow and I can hand him a few hundred back". The box mulls it over for a few seconds and then said, "You make sure he gets it all back".
All told I think his buddy managed to pinch about $600, which was more than he had bought in with. I always wondered how good of a buddy he was, and if the player got any or all of the money back. I always thought the box had handled that pretty well, but now as this thread has me thinking about it, what choice did he really have?

If he does nothing, the player will keep playing, and he is bound to lose it all (he did manage to lose what he had in front of him, and two more <$100 buy ins.
If he rats out the buddy, he risks have a scene with a loud drunk, and security will most likely escort them out.
If he cuts them off, the player may get mad and start a scene. (I will assume the box has no vested interest in wanting the house to win all the money)
If he calls security to handle it, who knows how it will all go down. I suppose the buddy could get in some real trouble.
I suppose he could have demanded the buddy put the chip back on the table, and call surveillance to see how much he took. But again, that could have gone badly, and I am sure the buddy would have dragged the player away at that point.

So, while I thought he had made a good decision at the time on the way he handled it, I now realize I don't think he really had any other option.

I'm curious if any of the casino personnel on this board have seen similar situations, and if so, how were they handled? I have to believe this happens fairly often.
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boymimbo
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March 7th, 2012 at 6:45:44 AM permalink
A few comments.

I don't think a casino should have breathlyzers and stop gamblers from gambling when their BAC is over the legal limit for driving. The line could and should be higher.

My wife got cut off once, and she was really mad at the time. The whole ride home, it was, "I've been in much better places than this s***box casino, and I've never been cut off, and listed a bunch of well known bars in Vegas, San Francisco, LA and such).

I will say this, you know, probably a safe place for a person who is drunk to be is at a table or slot machine, being watched. Certainly there is a point where someone is making poor decisions. I think it is at this point where a person should be cut off from drinking. For example, if they are slowing down a game or making very poor bets, it's time to cut them off. Here, in Canada, I've seen people get cut off all of the time. What usually happens is that they get refused service first, and then they get rude. Once they get rude, security comes in (usually three big dudes) and takes the person away, willingly.

They probably take care of the person by making sure s/he has a way home and is not driving.
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Nareed
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March 7th, 2012 at 6:58:50 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I will say this, you know, probably a safe place for a person who is drunk to be is at a table or slot machine, being watched. Certainly there is a point where someone is making poor decisions. I think it is at this point where a person should be cut off from drinking.



Poor decisions? You'd have to refuse alcohol to anyone making the fire bet, the pair+ bet, the lucky ladies bet, or for that matter playing slots ;) Well, at least by the standards prevalent on this board, right?

The thing is that determining when a player is too drunk to play responsibly is difficult. For example, given my bankroll and habits, it woudl be irresponsible for me to play a slot machine in the high-limit room. But routinely poeple with bigger bankrolls and different habits do just that, responsibly.
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ewjones080
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March 7th, 2012 at 9:01:54 AM permalink
Quote: Triplell

In Iowa, they seems to be very strict at letting people in when they are intoxicated. I was at a wedding reception at Harrah's, went to gamble some, went back to the wedding reception to grab my girlfriend, and was denied entrance back into the Casino. I had probably only had 3 or 4 beers. The security guard asked me if I had consumed any alcoholic beverages. I told him I have had 3 or 4 beers within the last couple of hours, and he told me Iowa law permits anyone who shows signs of intoxication from entering the casino floor.

What this tells me is that if you get drunk while gambling, you are in the clear as far as Iowa law is concerned. However, if you try to enter the casino after you have been drinking, it may be a different story...



It depends on the property, but yes it can be very strict in Iowa. And I've seen NUMUROUS people get kicked off a live game for being drunk. But being intoxicated while driving I think is a lot different than intoxicated in a casino. While driving it's simply your reaction time is slowed down causing accidents, but playing BJ your judgment may not necessarily be impaired the same way. Reaction time doesn't really matter.
WongBo
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March 7th, 2012 at 9:07:00 AM permalink
drinking while driving implies an obligation of the state to protect others from the actions and consequences of a citizen's intoxication.
i dont think the state has the same level of obligation to protect an intoxicated person from himself in a casino setting.
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buzzpaff
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March 7th, 2012 at 9:11:09 AM permalink
I wish you had been on my cousin's jury when he was found guilty of rolling a drunk. LOL
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March 7th, 2012 at 9:33:54 AM permalink
Three years ago this month a sailor from the sub base left Mohegan Sun allegedly drunk. He drove the wrong way on the highway and hit a van carrying Connecticut college students killing one of them. The tribe said they would review their alcohol policies. Can you say sovereign nation???
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March 7th, 2012 at 11:17:05 AM permalink
Quote: WongBo

i dont think the state has the same level of obligation to protect an intoxicated person from himself in a casino setting.

Why not?

The state protects people from themself when they create laws regarding suicide and prostitution.
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WongBo
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March 7th, 2012 at 12:09:10 PM permalink
someone has to clean up the suicide, and the prostitution involves another person as well...
not really the same thing
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