Madonna fishnet stockings prop bet
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February 7th, 2012 at 4:03:16 PM
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One of my Super Bowl prop bets was on whether Madonna would wear fishnet stockings in the halftime show. I bet $10 on the "no" with a friend at the game. It was decided that I was a winner when nobody could see evidence of any. However, today he presents me with this story: A fishy ruling? Upon further review, Bovada.lv says Madonna didn’t wear fish net stockings.
I must admit they look like fishnet stockings to me. However Bovada is sticking by the "no," as well as Sportsbook.com, according to the article I linked to. Women's fashion is not exactly my strong suit, so I don't have a very good opinion on the matter.
The question for the poll is how should this bet be graded? I'd especially be interested in hearing from what few ladies we have on the forum about this.
I must admit they look like fishnet stockings to me. However Bovada is sticking by the "no," as well as Sportsbook.com, according to the article I linked to. Women's fashion is not exactly my strong suit, so I don't have a very good opinion on the matter.
The question for the poll is how should this bet be graded? I'd especially be interested in hearing from what few ladies we have on the forum about this.
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February 7th, 2012 at 4:07:11 PM
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Clearly fishnets in the linked photo.
February 7th, 2012 at 4:08:10 PM
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If those aren't fishnet, what the heck are they?
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February 7th, 2012 at 4:12:10 PM
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Quote: jml24Clearly fishnets in the linked photo.
Maybe there is something that looks like fishnet stockings but are fishnet something else. This is about 180-degrees from my usual base of knowledge. I still don't understand the difference between a bra and a bustier, if there is one.
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February 7th, 2012 at 4:17:38 PM
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From what I'm reading, these are fishnet and
the ones she wore are something else.
the ones she wore are something else.
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February 7th, 2012 at 4:18:47 PM
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Quote: WizardMaybe there is something that looks like fishnet stockings but are fishnet something else. This is about 180-degrees from my usual base of knowledge. I still don't understand the difference between a bra and a bustier, if there is one.
There is something covering her legs that conforms to the normal understanding of "fishnet stockings." It may be possible that they are not stockings but some little-known other item of clothing with a fishnet pattern but I think you are grasping at straws. They are fishnet stockings average observer.
I think the reason there was confusion was that you need a close-up photo like the one in the link to see them. During the TV coverage there was not enough detail in the long shots and they would not even have been visible during much of the dancing.
February 7th, 2012 at 4:21:55 PM
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Quote: WizardMaybe there is something that looks like fishnet stockings but are fishnet something else.
They look like fishnet pantyhose to me. Pantyhose are not stockings.
Stockings reach to mid-thigh and are held up with garters, either from a garter belt or a corset; more modern types come with sillicon rubber rings to stay put on their own. It's hard to tell from the photo, but they seem to go up much higher, ergo pantyhose.
Did anyone ask Joe Namath ;P
Quote:This is about 180-degrees from my usual base of knowledge. I still don't understand the difference between a bra and a bustier, if there is one.
Clearly :)
Yes, there is a difference. Unless it's a long-line bra, of course.
I'm voting no fishnet stockings.
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February 7th, 2012 at 4:45:07 PM
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Bovada originally said yes, then said that the women of Bovada said no.
Seems to me that they should have also identified them.
Seems to me that they should have also identified them.
Ditto.Quote: WizardWomen's fashion is not exactly my strong suit, so I don't have a very good opinion on the matter.
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February 7th, 2012 at 4:48:38 PM
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OK. Let's assume they are fishnet pantyhose.Quote: NareedThey look like fishnet pantyhose to me. Pantyhose are not stockings.
Was there a betting line on fishnet pantyhose? I assume not.
That being the case, then clearly the intent of the bet was "fishnet" not "stockings."
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February 7th, 2012 at 4:57:28 PM
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Those are absolutely fishnet stockings. Of course.
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February 7th, 2012 at 5:01:49 PM
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Why does it say on the link "The women of Bovada just corrected us. Sorry guys, those were NOT fishnets."? Who in their right mind would say that those are not fishnets? As the first poster on this has said, they are CLEARLY fishnets.
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February 7th, 2012 at 5:43:06 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearOK. Let's assume they are fishnet pantyhose.
Was there a betting line on fishnet pantyhose? I assume not.
That being the case, then clearly the intent of the bet was "fishnet" not "stockings."
So if we bet that, say, Sheldon Cooper will wear a Spider man T-shirt and he shows up with a Spider man sweatshirt, we were betting on the Spider man, not the T-shirt?
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February 7th, 2012 at 5:56:24 PM
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Quote: charliepatrickHaving a quick look at the video here's a picture where she comes near to the camera just before, personally I can't see any stockings.
That's a good point. Could it be that the picture at beyondthebets was faked?
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February 7th, 2012 at 5:59:32 PM
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Unless it was stipulated beforehand, I'd say you're betting on spiderman, not the type of shirt.Quote: NareedSo if we bet that, say, Sheldon Cooper will wear a Spider man T-shirt and he shows up with a Spider man sweatshirt, we were betting on the Spider man, not the T-shirt?
Regarding the fishnets, most guys don't know squat about women's fashions.
If forced to describe the difference between stockings and pantyhose, most guys would struggle for an answer.
It's an assumption that Bovada did not have a betting line for fishnet pantyhose. That being the case, then the bet was for some sort of visible fishnet leg cover. Period.
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February 7th, 2012 at 6:01:56 PM
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That's a reasonable argument - for you and me.Quote: WizardThat's a good point. Could it be that the picture at beyondthebets was faked?
Bovada already responded, and changed their mind, based on the garment shown.
It's WAY too late if they are gonna claim "PhotoShop!"
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February 7th, 2012 at 6:02:25 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearIf forced to describe the difference between stockings and pantyhose, most guys would struggle for an answer.
Irrelevant. They're still two different things.
Or would you say if we bet the next ace to come up will be a diamond and it were a heart, that both are red aces? There was no lien for an ace of hearts, was there?
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February 7th, 2012 at 6:11:57 PM
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I think it's very relevant.
The bet was regarding fishnets, not the whether they are stockings or pantyhose.
I ask again, did Bovada offer a bet for fishnet pantyhose? If so, I'll retract everything I've said in this thread. But I think my comments will stand.
Regarding your Ace question: You're grasping at straws.
The bet was regarding fishnets, not the whether they are stockings or pantyhose.
I ask again, did Bovada offer a bet for fishnet pantyhose? If so, I'll retract everything I've said in this thread. But I think my comments will stand.
Regarding your Ace question: You're grasping at straws.
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February 7th, 2012 at 6:20:20 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI think it's very relevant.
Says the man who can't work the block function ;)
Quote:The bet was regarding fishnets, not the whether they are stockings or pantyhose.
Then the line shouldn't have specified "fishnet stockings, but merely said "fishnets"
Quote:I ask again, did Bovada offer a bet for fishnet pantyhose?
Not relevant.
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February 7th, 2012 at 6:33:12 PM
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It looks like she is wearing fishnet somethings in this photo.
By the way, I was hoping somebody would illuminate me on the difference between a bra and bustier, which I asked about earlier.
By the way, I was hoping somebody would illuminate me on the difference between a bra and bustier, which I asked about earlier.
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February 7th, 2012 at 6:48:36 PM
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A bustier has a corset component to it, that normally has some sort of support and is designed to push up the breasts, shape the waist and give a series of dangerous curves. A bra supports just the breast, and not always designed to push, separate or otherwise cajole.
As for Madonna, I have no idea how your supposed to tell wether they were stockings or panty hose with out an examination a lot closer than Ms Ciccone would have liked to have had on TV.
As for Madonna, I have no idea how your supposed to tell wether they were stockings or panty hose with out an examination a lot closer than Ms Ciccone would have liked to have had on TV.
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February 7th, 2012 at 6:57:16 PM
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Quote: thecesspitA bustier has a corset component to it, that normally has some sort of support and is designed to push up the breasts, shape the waist and give a series of dangerous curves. A bra supports just the breast, and not always designed to push, separate or otherwise cajole.
Hmmm. Then what is the difference between a bustier and a girdle?
I expect Paco to help us with some images any second now.
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February 7th, 2012 at 7:03:12 PM
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A girdle or corset doesn't have a bust section, and goes down much lower, to the hips. A bustier stops at the waist. A Basque is like a long Bustier.
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February 7th, 2012 at 7:04:02 PM
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Stockings and pantyhose are not the same and
she is wearing fishnet pantyhose.
she is wearing fishnet pantyhose.
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February 7th, 2012 at 7:08:16 PM
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She is wearing fishnet in my book. Quite a tight fishnet, but fishnet. (When does fishnet become a loose weave anyways? :))
I have no idea if they have a gusset, and are therefore pantyhose, or only go as far as the top of thigh, and are therefore stockings. I don't recall a shot where we could tell the difference.
I have no idea if they have a gusset, and are therefore pantyhose, or only go as far as the top of thigh, and are therefore stockings. I don't recall a shot where we could tell the difference.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
February 7th, 2012 at 7:24:58 PM
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With all due respect to Nareed, I think the spirit of the bet was whether she would be wearing fishnet anythings on her legs. Thus, I'm going to pay up. I think I would be in for a huge argument if I tried to argue they were pantyhose, starting with the question "How would you know the difference?"
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February 7th, 2012 at 7:25:32 PM
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I know exactly how to use the block function. And guess what? I unblocked you a couple months ago, but have now blocked you again.Quote: NareedSays the man who can't work the block function ;)
It's one thing to be ignorant. It's quite another to be an idiot. You're deliberately being an idiot, and I've run out of patience with you. Again.
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February 7th, 2012 at 7:26:12 PM
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Thank you for understanding what I was saying.Quote: WizardWith all due respect to Nareed, I think the spirit of the bet was whether she would be wearing fishnet anythings on her legs. Thus, I'm going to pay up. I think I would be in for a huge argument if I tried to argue they were pantyhose, starting with the question "How would you know the difference?"
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February 7th, 2012 at 7:28:49 PM
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Just a guess, but I think a girdle doesn't have the bra component.Quote: WizardHmmm. Then what is the difference between a bustier and a girdle?
Hey! Wouldn't that violate the photo standards you talked about recently?Quote: WizardI expect Paco to help us with some images any second now.
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February 7th, 2012 at 7:32:52 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearHey! Wouldn't that violate the photo standards you talked about recently?
Basically, anything racier than a Victoria's Secret catalog would be too much. So, I think any point we're trying to make could be made safely -- barely.
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February 7th, 2012 at 7:39:26 PM
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It does look so. Firstly my recording was taken off the BBC1 live (anyone who has a spare 603Mb is welcome to a copy!). However I have found (Google Madonna SuperBowl pictures 6Mb) more photos (some pretty revealing) at thesuperficial such as this one which comes from the "Vogue" song where she was upside down quite a lot - again no fishnets in sight.Quote: Wizard...Could it be that the picture at beyondthebets was faked?
February 7th, 2012 at 7:44:40 PM
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Quote: charliepatrickagain no fishnets in sight.
Based on that photo, I would say she does have them. You can see lines around the ... area. At least this does seem to end any debate about stockings or pantyhose. It is a small pattern, so low-resolution pictures tend to blend them into her skin color, but I think you can barely tell with this one.
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February 7th, 2012 at 7:54:26 PM
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Quote: WizardHmmm. Then what is the difference between a bustier and a girdle?
I expect Paco to help us with some images any second now.
Bustier is a French word. These garments always use the upper midsection for support.
Brassiere from French brassière , from Old French braciere "arm guard", from Latin bracchium. Refers to the "arm". Spanish for "arm" is brazos.
I think that bras have been around long enough that the word has expanded to include undergarments that do not use arms. But it's beginning was clearly related to the arm.
Girdle is from Anglo Saxon gyrdel "belt, sash, cord about the waist". The current usage is only from 1925 where the sash became elastic undergarment.
February 7th, 2012 at 7:58:00 PM
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Quote: WizardWith all due respect to Nareed, I think the spirit of the bet was whether she would be wearing fishnet anythings on her legs. Thus, I'm going to pay up.
Your choice. But if the terms of the bet say "stockings," you should argue it.
Quote:I think I would be in for a huge argument if I tried to argue they were pantyhose, starting with the question "How would you know the difference?"
If she wore stockings, you'd see the garter either at the top of the boot or reaching into it. It's too much hassle to wear stockings with with thigh-high boots.
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February 7th, 2012 at 8:03:59 PM
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Quote: pacomartinBrassiere from French brassière , from Old French braciere "arm guard", from Latin bracchium. Refers to the "arm". Spanish for "arm" is brazos.
Then shouldn't any strapless bra be called a bustier?
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February 7th, 2012 at 8:05:12 PM
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That's why I don't like to make bets like this, at least between friends.
If you bet on "no", you're expected to honor the bet and pay up. If you bet on "yes", you can always be confronted with the argument that it wasn't stockings, and end up pushing the bet.
If you bet on "no", you're expected to honor the bet and pay up. If you bet on "yes", you can always be confronted with the argument that it wasn't stockings, and end up pushing the bet.
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February 7th, 2012 at 8:05:36 PM
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Actually around "the ... area" it's hard to tell. (LOVE those ellipsis!)Quote: WizardBased on that photo, I would say she does have them. You can see lines around the ... area. At least this does seem to end any debate about stockings or pantyhose. It is a small pattern, so low-resolution pictures tend to blend them into her skin color, but I think you can barely tell with this one.
It's easier to see on her thighs. And you're right about the low-res.
Gang, if you click the link for that photo, your browser will make it fit the screen. Click on her thigh to see it in high res, and you'll see the fishnets.
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February 7th, 2012 at 8:51:42 PM
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February 7th, 2012 at 9:18:35 PM
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My fiance says they are without a doubt fishnet type stockings and that trying to class them as something else because it doesn't meet a SUPER specific pattern criteria is ridiculous. HOWEVER, she says the casino has a case since they didn't specify whether or not stockings include garter attached thigh highs/knee highs. The importance here is the coverage of the garment.
Thigh High Fishnet attached to garter
She says to her, this is included under a "stocking" but the casino could refute that and they should have been more specific with the definition prior to taking bets.
She went on to explain the two different types of stockings that women wear. One that they wear as kind of a jumpsuit bottoms only that is a one piece that fits on both legs and partway up the torso. The other that goes up to the knee (knee high, thigh high) or thereabouts and can be attached up higher or not.
Would have been better to bet on her wearing a hat or not. ;)
Thigh High Fishnet attached to garter
She says to her, this is included under a "stocking" but the casino could refute that and they should have been more specific with the definition prior to taking bets.
She went on to explain the two different types of stockings that women wear. One that they wear as kind of a jumpsuit bottoms only that is a one piece that fits on both legs and partway up the torso. The other that goes up to the knee (knee high, thigh high) or thereabouts and can be attached up higher or not.
Would have been better to bet on her wearing a hat or not. ;)
February 8th, 2012 at 9:39:07 AM
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Quote: YoDiceRoll11
Would have been better to bet on her wearing a hat or not. ;)
I had the Hat prop on the prop sheet at our super bowl party. The 'No' crowd half-heartedly argued that a Roman headpiece was not a hat. I graded it 'Yes.'
February 8th, 2012 at 9:47:19 AM
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You graded it correctly!
