SafeGaming
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November 4th, 2011 at 8:58:47 AM permalink
what is the house edge reduce by if we can play and leave anytime we want and bet any amount we want? in any game
MathExtremist
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November 4th, 2011 at 9:20:08 AM permalink
All games are like this, and there is no change in the house edge. What game are you referring to where you are forced to play?
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November 4th, 2011 at 9:32:18 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

All games are like this, and there is no change in the house edge. What game are you referring to where you are forced to play?



BJ is not like this. You would not for long be able to bet table max after sitting out half the shoe. Of course there is a change in the house edge assuming not a continuous shuffler. Isn't this what card counting is all about?
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November 4th, 2011 at 9:52:11 AM permalink
I read that as a generic question, not one related to card counting in BJ -- the OP said "in any game". I've never seen a game where you cannot leave whenever you want, and no casino can force you to gamble. In countable games like blackjack, there is often a restriction on mid-shoe entry to mitigate card counting. But absent card counting, the ability to start or stop playing whenever you want is universal, and insofar as each wager is independent, the house edge cannot change based on how many bets in a row you make or how long your session is. The house edge is what it is even if you don't bet at all. In that case, the house won't realize any of its edge against your bankroll, but the house still has the edge.
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November 4th, 2011 at 10:52:28 AM permalink
Well, if you could leave any time you want, are you talking about being able to pull back your bet too, like in Caribbean Stud or Blackjack. Once you look at your cards and make a decision, do you want to be able to pick up your bet and leave?

i like the saying, "if a blackjack card falls in a casino, does it make an edge?". The house edge never changes. If you leave mid-game, you forfeit your bet. The only time you can pick up a bet in progress is leave is in the don't situations in Craps (Don't pass, don't come) in which case, you're increasing the house edge because the edge is in your favor (given fair dice) in this instance.
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November 4th, 2011 at 2:20:11 PM permalink
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SafeGaming
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November 4th, 2011 at 6:12:34 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

All games are like this, and there is no change in the house edge. What game are you referring to where you are forced to play?



yes i mean any games like bacarat, blackjack with csm etc.

if there is really no advantage, why everyone is changing their bet size and leave when they win or lose to a limit? i suppose including yourself did that.

or rather i change my question, if the house limit everyone to just 100 hands per day, no increasing of bet if u lose, and cant leave when u win or lose,

did they further increase their advantage?
SafeGaming
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November 4th, 2011 at 6:21:42 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Well, if you could leave any time you want, are you talking about being able to pull back your bet too, like in Caribbean Stud or Blackjack. Once you look at your cards and make a decision, do you want to be able to pick up your bet and leave?

i like the saying, "if a blackjack card falls in a casino, does it make an edge?". The house edge never changes. If you leave mid-game, you forfeit your bet. The only time you can pick up a bet in progress is leave is in the don't situations in Craps (Don't pass, don't come) in which case, you're increasing the house edge because the edge is in your favor (given fair dice) in this instance.



i dont mean games that allow u to fold or raise in mid games, just refering to raise your initial bet if u are playing caribbean stud.

i understand every games allow us to leave anytime or change of bet size, no one force us, just that im curious do we hold any minor advantage over this?

i would rather say advantage than house edge since house edge is fixed in every mathematician minds..

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