new form of blackjack
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:59:13 PM
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I only live near two casino's and the closest one only has virtual blackjack. There are five seats to sit in, a virtual table, and a virtual dealer for those who think im talking about playing blackjack on a slot machine im not.
My question is on these virtual blackjack tables are the odds the same as a regualr blackjack table? or are the odds worse? Is counting cards even worth while on these types of tables? and lastly when i play i noticed 2 out of the 4 virtual dealers who your playing against seem to beat you a lot more than do the other 2 dealers.
For example ill win 60% of my hands with 2 of the dealrs but with the other two it drops right down to 40%, seems they pull 21's out of eitehr ace and a 10 or they'll have 14, 15, or 16 and pull a 21 more times than not. It gotten to the point i stop playing when these 2 virutal dealers start dealing.... To further demonstrate my point if you've seen vegas vacation with Chevy Chase. He is playing blackjack with a crowded table and a woman is dealing and everyone is getting 21's and winning more times then not. But then she leaves and that short bald headed dealer comes in and EVERYONE leaves except clark of course.. thats pretty much how i feel about that game with those 2 dealers.
can anyone elaborate a bit more on these new virtual blackjack tables for me, ive looked and searched the internet but cant find out much about them....on the odds and so forth and what not.
and those of you who are wondering and saying then just go to the other casino well that other casino is an hour away and the one i go to with virtual blackjack is 15 mins away. any other casino is gonna be a 2 plus hour drive.
My question is on these virtual blackjack tables are the odds the same as a regualr blackjack table? or are the odds worse? Is counting cards even worth while on these types of tables? and lastly when i play i noticed 2 out of the 4 virtual dealers who your playing against seem to beat you a lot more than do the other 2 dealers.
For example ill win 60% of my hands with 2 of the dealrs but with the other two it drops right down to 40%, seems they pull 21's out of eitehr ace and a 10 or they'll have 14, 15, or 16 and pull a 21 more times than not. It gotten to the point i stop playing when these 2 virutal dealers start dealing.... To further demonstrate my point if you've seen vegas vacation with Chevy Chase. He is playing blackjack with a crowded table and a woman is dealing and everyone is getting 21's and winning more times then not. But then she leaves and that short bald headed dealer comes in and EVERYONE leaves except clark of course.. thats pretty much how i feel about that game with those 2 dealers.
can anyone elaborate a bit more on these new virtual blackjack tables for me, ive looked and searched the internet but cant find out much about them....on the odds and so forth and what not.
and those of you who are wondering and saying then just go to the other casino well that other casino is an hour away and the one i go to with virtual blackjack is 15 mins away. any other casino is gonna be a 2 plus hour drive.
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:13:20 PM
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The odds of winning will depend on the rules of the table, virtual or actual, for example,
Are they dealing 1 deck, 2, decks, or 6 decks? (the more decks the higher the house edge)
Does BJ pay 3:2, 6:5, or 1:1? (the lower the BJ pay the higher the house edge)
Does dealer hit or stand on soft 17? (hitting on soft 17 has a higher house edge)
Can you split? (not being allowed to split causes a higher house edge)
Can you resplit aces? (not resplitting aces causes a higher house edge)
Can you double after split? (not being able to double after split causes a higher house edge)
Can you surrender? (not being able to surrender causes a higher house edge)
Here is the effect of these options as well as others: (about 2/3 down the page):
https://wizardofodds.com/blackjack
As for counting, these virtual BJ games tend to shuffle after every deal, so all counting will do it give you practice in counting, and will not be applicable to the deck being played.
As for frequency of losses against certain machines, as the wizard has said in the past, in vegas, the odds of the cards appearing need to mimic those in real life, but this is not the case in other states, and machines could simply be a pull tab style game in disguise. However, in my opinion, the machines probably operate the same as vegas machines, and you had just gotten luckier on one machine, and unlucky on another.
Are they dealing 1 deck, 2, decks, or 6 decks? (the more decks the higher the house edge)
Does BJ pay 3:2, 6:5, or 1:1? (the lower the BJ pay the higher the house edge)
Does dealer hit or stand on soft 17? (hitting on soft 17 has a higher house edge)
Can you split? (not being allowed to split causes a higher house edge)
Can you resplit aces? (not resplitting aces causes a higher house edge)
Can you double after split? (not being able to double after split causes a higher house edge)
Can you surrender? (not being able to surrender causes a higher house edge)
Here is the effect of these options as well as others: (about 2/3 down the page):
https://wizardofodds.com/blackjack
As for counting, these virtual BJ games tend to shuffle after every deal, so all counting will do it give you practice in counting, and will not be applicable to the deck being played.
As for frequency of losses against certain machines, as the wizard has said in the past, in vegas, the odds of the cards appearing need to mimic those in real life, but this is not the case in other states, and machines could simply be a pull tab style game in disguise. However, in my opinion, the machines probably operate the same as vegas machines, and you had just gotten luckier on one machine, and unlucky on another.
So I says to him, I said "Get your own monkey!"
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:23:42 PM
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I am familiar with these machines, which are likely made by Shufflemaster.
There is no difference whatsoever between a live dealt game - the cards are random, I can assure you. You were just seeing the usual variation among blackjack hands, and you would need a very large sample to suggest anything is amiss.
Assuming its the multi-deck version, they actually do not shuffle after every hand, but rather at a predetermined point about 2/3 the way in the shoe. The problem is, the player does not know when this point is, which obviously deters counters.
The Wizard did a small write up on these. See: https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/193
There is no difference whatsoever between a live dealt game - the cards are random, I can assure you. You were just seeing the usual variation among blackjack hands, and you would need a very large sample to suggest anything is amiss.
Assuming its the multi-deck version, they actually do not shuffle after every hand, but rather at a predetermined point about 2/3 the way in the shoe. The problem is, the player does not know when this point is, which obviously deters counters.
The Wizard did a small write up on these. See: https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/193
