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January 20th, 2025 at 6:00:54 AM permalink
It's a home game with a small buy-in, and it's the dealer's choice. This will be the last round, so the dealer announces all red cards are wild—five-card draw poker. My hand is nine of spades and four red cards. The first player goes all-in. Players 2-4 fold. Do I call?
The pot is almost four dollars.
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January 20th, 2025 at 6:25:10 AM permalink
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It's a home game with a small buy-in, and it's the dealer's choice. This will be the last round, so the dealer announces all red cards are wild—five-card draw poker. My hand is nine of spades and four red cards. The first player goes all-in. Players 2-4 fold. Do I call?
The pot is almost four dollars.
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Absolutely - call, and draw one. If it's red, or a black ace, you have five aces.
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January 20th, 2025 at 7:23:34 AM permalink
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It's a home game with a small buy-in, and it's the dealer's choice. This will be the last round, so the dealer announces all red cards are wild—five-card draw poker. My hand is nine of spades and four red cards. The first player goes all-in. Players 2-4 fold. Do I call?
The pot is almost four dollars.
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Absolutely - call, and draw one. If it's red, or a black ace, you have five aces.
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I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. This is the final hand after the draw.
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January 20th, 2025 at 1:52:59 PM permalink
I haven't worked it out mathematically. I think its likely that the villain is semi-bluffing, jamming on a hand that is strong but not the nuts. Your five 9s is a marginal favorite against an opponent with four red cards.

INFO that is missing from the description is how many cards did villain draw, and how many cards did players 2-4 draw. Obviously players are always discarding black cards and holding red cards on the draw, so you can get an accurate count of how many red cards were left in the deck when villain drew.

Also missing is info about how many cards you drew.
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January 20th, 2025 at 1:53:38 PM permalink
I haven't worked it out mathematically. I think its likely that the villain is semi-bluffing, jamming on a hand that is strong but not the nuts. Your five 9s is a marginal favorite against an opponent with four red cards.

INFO that is missing from the description is how many cards did villain draw, and how many cards did players 2-4 draw. Obviously players are always discarding black cards and holding red cards on the draw, so you can get an accurate count of how many red cards were left in the deck when villain drew.

Also missing is info about how many cards you drew.
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January 20th, 2025 at 3:30:30 PM permalink
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I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. This is the final hand after the draw.
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If it was me, I would call. Five 9s is going to be hard to beat under these rules.
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January 20th, 2025 at 4:19:21 PM permalink
Not if someone has the infamous '"All Red" hand. Thanks.
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January 20th, 2025 at 7:13:19 PM permalink
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Not if someone has the infamous '"All Red" hand. Thanks.
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Or 4 red with a 10 or higher. Or a black pair of 10’s or higher with 3 reds. If the guy you are going against drew zero or one card I don’t think you should call. If he drew two cards it’s right on the edge.
You of course may ‘know’ the players, and if the guy bluffs all the time it might change what you should do.

You do realize you will be dealt, BEFORE the draw, 3 or more red cards 50% of the time. 5 of a kind will certainly not be a rarity.
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January 21st, 2025 at 2:32:15 PM permalink
Wow. What a crazy game. And so many questions.

Is the $4 pot including the all in? Is your hand and that bet before the draw? Does five wilds beat five aces?

The only thing you can assume is that any held card is an ace or red. Frankly, if I was dealt two kings and three red cards, the kings are gonna get replaced. Three kings and two reds? Fold.
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January 21st, 2025 at 2:48:26 PM permalink
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The pot is almost four dollars.
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Someone wiser than me once asked "Is that a lot of money?"

For that price, I kind of want to see the cards, even if it's not the optimal play.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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