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January 20th, 2025 at 6:00:54 AM permalink
It's a home game with a small buy-in, and it's the dealer's choice. This will be the last round, so the dealer announces all red cards are wild—five-card draw poker. My hand is nine of spades and four red cards. The first player goes all-in. Players 2-4 fold. Do I call?
The pot is almost four dollars.
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January 20th, 2025 at 6:25:10 AM permalink
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It's a home game with a small buy-in, and it's the dealer's choice. This will be the last round, so the dealer announces all red cards are wild—five-card draw poker. My hand is nine of spades and four red cards. The first player goes all-in. Players 2-4 fold. Do I call?
The pot is almost four dollars.
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Absolutely - call, and draw one. If it's red, or a black ace, you have five aces.
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January 20th, 2025 at 7:23:34 AM permalink
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It's a home game with a small buy-in, and it's the dealer's choice. This will be the last round, so the dealer announces all red cards are wild—five-card draw poker. My hand is nine of spades and four red cards. The first player goes all-in. Players 2-4 fold. Do I call?
The pot is almost four dollars.
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Absolutely - call, and draw one. If it's red, or a black ace, you have five aces.
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I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. This is the final hand after the draw.
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January 20th, 2025 at 1:52:59 PM permalink
I haven't worked it out mathematically. I think its likely that the villain is semi-bluffing, jamming on a hand that is strong but not the nuts. Your five 9s is a marginal favorite against an opponent with four red cards.

INFO that is missing from the description is how many cards did villain draw, and how many cards did players 2-4 draw. Obviously players are always discarding black cards and holding red cards on the draw, so you can get an accurate count of how many red cards were left in the deck when villain drew.

Also missing is info about how many cards you drew.
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January 20th, 2025 at 1:53:38 PM permalink
I haven't worked it out mathematically. I think its likely that the villain is semi-bluffing, jamming on a hand that is strong but not the nuts. Your five 9s is a marginal favorite against an opponent with four red cards.

INFO that is missing from the description is how many cards did villain draw, and how many cards did players 2-4 draw. Obviously players are always discarding black cards and holding red cards on the draw, so you can get an accurate count of how many red cards were left in the deck when villain drew.

Also missing is info about how many cards you drew.
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January 20th, 2025 at 3:30:30 PM permalink
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I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. This is the final hand after the draw.
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If it was me, I would call. Five 9s is going to be hard to beat under these rules.
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January 20th, 2025 at 4:19:21 PM permalink
Not if someone has the infamous '"All Red" hand. Thanks.
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January 20th, 2025 at 7:13:19 PM permalink
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Not if someone has the infamous '"All Red" hand. Thanks.
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Or 4 red with a 10 or higher. Or a black pair of 10’s or higher with 3 reds. If the guy you are going against drew zero or one card I don’t think you should call. If he drew two cards it’s right on the edge.
You of course may ‘know’ the players, and if the guy bluffs all the time it might change what you should do.

You do realize you will be dealt, BEFORE the draw, 3 or more red cards 50% of the time. 5 of a kind will certainly not be a rarity.
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January 21st, 2025 at 2:32:15 PM permalink
Wow. What a crazy game. And so many questions.

Is the $4 pot including the all in? Is your hand and that bet before the draw? Does five wilds beat five aces?

The only thing you can assume is that any held card is an ace or red. Frankly, if I was dealt two kings and three red cards, the kings are gonna get replaced. Three kings and two reds? Fold.
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January 21st, 2025 at 2:48:26 PM permalink
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The pot is almost four dollars.
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Someone wiser than me once asked "Is that a lot of money?"

For that price, I kind of want to see the cards, even if it's not the optimal play.
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January 21st, 2025 at 5:51:57 PM permalink
It's a dealer's choice tournament of sorts. Twelve to fifteen of the park residents get together and play dealer choice. The games end at Five, and the top three chip leaders split the pot. It's as slow as molasses, and I don't plan to attend regularly. I'm trying to stir up interest in a game of Lightning Blackjack, but not had much luck yet.
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January 21st, 2025 at 6:14:10 PM permalink
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It's a dealer's choice tournament of sorts. Twelve to fifteen of the park residents get together and play dealer choice. The games end at Five, and the top three chip leaders split the pot. It's as slow as molasses, and I don't plan to attend regularly. I'm trying to stir up interest in a game of Lightning Blackjack, but not had much luck yet.
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Here's one I invented you might want to lay on them. 7-Card Stud, wild card is equal to the number of players left in the game. So if you start with 7 players 7's are wild, someone folds then 6's are wild, all the way down to two players where of course 2's are wild.

If you are playing where high hand on the table is the pone, that will change the order of betting but the real challenge is keeping people in the game by checking or calling, or driving them out by raising in order to control the wild card.
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January 21st, 2025 at 6:56:03 PM permalink
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It's a home game with a small buy-in, and it's the dealer's choice. This will be the last round, so the dealer announces all red cards are wild—five-card draw poker. My hand is nine of spades and four red cards. The first player goes all-in. Players 2-4 fold. Do I call?
The pot is almost four dollars.
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Assuming he is a normal player it's unlikely he has a super strong hand or he would be check-raising with the intent to go all in, a normal player wouldn't want to scare everyone out of hand.

He would likely go all in with even only 3 red cards. (people tend to overvalue their hands in a game like this) he might go in with three red cards and a random pair or suited connector, but I think he might check that and then go all in.

If he has four red cards you can assume a random 5th card, therefore on average your nine would have his random 5th card beat.

Also, he knows there's a chance everyone might fold unless they have a monster.

I think you would be giving up value to fold four red cards plus a 9 in this same situation every time. I think it's +EV to make the call.

Also, he knows there's a chance everyone might fold unless they have a monster.
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January 21st, 2025 at 9:35:57 PM permalink
100% would call.

You have 4/13 wild cards and a king high straight flush... not saying you have the nuts and will never lose with this many wilds out, but yeah imo this is strong enough to snap call.

Pure guess based off "feel" (feel being decades in poker and math) I would hesitate if your off card was a low card. The 9 is such a strong card in so many gambling situations because it's on the "top half" so to say. This is why I think it's a snap call. I would ponder, take more into account such as player/behavior/range/position/etc, but probably call a low straight flush.
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January 22nd, 2025 at 3:30:51 AM permalink
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100% would call.

You have 4/13 wild cards and a king high straight flush...
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what am I missing? I would say he has 5 nines

with this many wild cards, 5 OAK is legitimately the highest hand, in other words it is harder to get than a straight flush. However, I like a rule that a ROYAL flush is still the highest hand, and it is in fact harder to get than 5 OAK. But the dealer must call this in a dealer's choice game, unless the group has already a rule about that
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January 22nd, 2025 at 4:03:49 AM permalink
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...You have 4/13 wild cards...



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