A lady found $1200 on the floor (split from DO v GNAC)

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Isnt there a difference between finding $1200 on the ground and finding $1300 on a machine?

Here's the biggest difference:

A players card and cameras can identify the owner of the money left on the machine.

By the way, years ago I saw this actually happen at Caesars. A player got a handpay and thought his machine was locked and went to the men's room.

It wasn't locked. When he returned his credits were cashed out. He immediately yelled for help. Security and attendants went scrambling but I dont know what the outcome was... if they found the person who cashed it out or not.

It was also around $1300.

This high limit room was the "mini dome room" at Caesars. It was crowded but no one saw anything. I was playing two machines over, and I saw nothing.

Frankly, who would? Each player is looking at their screen pressing buttons.
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No there isn't any difference.

First you just made an assumption that a player's card was used. Bad assumption.

A) plenty of people play slots without a player card or just forget to insert the card, perhaps they left it at home and don't want to wait on line. They feel it makes them unlucky, etc. Does a person give up their rights to money left on a slot machine because they didn't have a player card inserted?

B) The other issue is people sometimes accidentally play on a player card that someone before them left in the slot. Does the casino hand the wrong person the money in that situation?

No, it all comes down to cameras. The players card isn't supposed to be used for identification purposes.

And if all they rely on is cameras why would it be any different if the cameras picked up who dropped the money lost on the gaming floor?
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Okay then, they have the cameras to find the culprit.
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Look I am not arguing the morality of finders keepers. I think a lot of people grew up being taught that was the rule of the day.

But the law says different.

If you find a bag full of money and don't report it then hopefully you don't get arrested. Or have a mafia crew looking for you.
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I didnt make any moral judgments either. I just told what happened at Red Rock.

No one asked me if the slot attendant was correct. But somehow the messenger gets killed.
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That's how you see this,eh?
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You're asking me what I think? Okay.

I think the slot attendant should have turned in the $1200 to the casino. The casino should have reported the $1200 to the NGC. After the appropriate time passed, as Nevada law stipulates, 75% of the money should have been sent to the state and the remaining 25% should have been donated to charity.

That's what I think.

Now, what do you think?

I'd turn it over to Metro and find out when I can claim it.

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I'd turn it over to Metro and find out when I can claim it.
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Probably a combination of the two. You don't want an accusation you were taking the money before you get to the metro police.

Probably turn it into casino security and request a claim form.

I'm not certain what response you would get but that's the best way in a perfect world.

Would not surprise me if casino refused to issue a claim form citing some regulations

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I'd turn it over to Metro and find out when I can claim it.
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Probably a combination of the two. You don't want an accusation you were taking the money before you get to the metro police.

Probably turn it into casino security and request a claim form.

I'm not certain what response you would get but that's the best way in a perfect world.

Would not surprise me if casino refused to issue a claim form citing some regulations
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You take out your phone and make a video saying you found this and are on the way to the Metro St.to turn it in.

Anyone care to explain how the Nevada law that "any money found in a casino belongs to the casino" fits into your lawyerly arguments about theft? Sounds like this law legitimizes what would otherwise be the casino's "theft" of the money.

For the Nevada casino, it sounds like 'finders keepers' is the operative principle.

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Anyone care to explain how the Nevada law that "any money found in a casino belongs to the casino" fits into your lawyerly arguments about theft? Sounds like this law legitimizes what would otherwise be the casino's "theft" of the money.

For the Nevada casino, it sounds like 'finders keepers' is the operative principle.
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It's "finders keepers" except that 75% goes to the State.

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Anyone care to explain how the Nevada law that "any money found in a casino belongs to the casino" fits into your lawyerly arguments about theft? Sounds like this law legitimizes what would otherwise be the casino's "theft" of the money.

For the Nevada casino, it sounds like 'finders keepers' is the operative principle.
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It's money unclaimed after a certain time frame. In New York it's similar with a six month period.

So if you lose your money in the casino and don't claim it for six months the casino keeps it or whatever the legal waiting period is in Nevada.

The next question is how do you prove you lost it. That it's your cash.

I imagine a form would be required for cash that you fill out and prior to that you would have to supply the exact date, amount lost, and approximate time and location for them to accept your claim of ownership. No way they just hand it over without questions.

If the money is found in the parking lot or in the hotel does it still go to the casino if it is unclaimed?

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What prevents a fraudulent claim by a friend of an employee of the casino (who tips them off) and who was in the casino on the day that the money was found?

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If the money is found in the parking lot or in the hotel does it still go to the casino if it is unclaimed?

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What prevents a fraudulent claim by a friend of an employee of the casino (who tips them off) and who was in the casino on the day that the money was found?
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Any property of the casino I would imagine.

As for the second question, larceny is always a possibility.

I imagine getting caught as a possibility might stop people. For example, what if they checked the camera and see someone else is who drops the cash? Or the actual person shows up to lay claim to the money.

A certain BJ author makes a point of checking the lost and found for $100 bills and claims he is successful enough to make it worth his while. Of course, he also almost got banned for taking excess free waters but that is life as an AP.

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A certain BJ author makes a point of checking the lost and found for $100 bills and claims he is successful enough to make it worth his while. Of course, he also almost got banned for taking excess free waters but that is life as an AP.
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That hypothetical does fit the definition of theft.

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A certain BJ author makes a point of checking the lost and found for $100 bills and claims he is successful enough to make it worth his while. Of course, he also almost got banned for taking excess free waters but that is life as an AP.
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That hypothetical does fit the definition of theft.
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I think it runs more towards fraud, but it is almost certainly illegal.

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A certain BJ author makes a point of checking the lost and found for $100 bills and claims he is successful enough to make it worth his while. Of course, he also almost got banned for taking excess free waters but that is life as an AP.
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That hypothetical does fit the definition of theft.
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I think it runs more towards fraud, but it is almost certainly illegal.
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Yeah maybe both.

Casinos go to fantastic lengths to prevent dealer collusion with players. Yet employee collusion with players to claim found money that has gone unclaimed for a long time? A thousand here, a thousand there . . . it all adds up.

I THINK FINDERS KEEPERS, LOSERS CAN KISS MY AS$$$$ !!!!!

My friend found $100 in $20’s on the floor of the Bellagio about 2 months ago…near the blackjack pit. Turned it in. They wrote up the report. If in 30 days the money is not claimed…it’s his. He picked up the $100 two weeks ago.

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My friend found $100 in $20’s on the floor of the Bellagio about 2 months ago…near the blackjack pit. Turned it in. They wrote up the report. If in 30 days the money is not claimed…it’s his. He picked up the $100 two weeks ago.
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So what happened to Nevada law?

My guess is that there is a difference between a casino finding the money and a player finding the money.

Follow up question:

What if the player found CHIPS and not cash? Would it be treated any differently?

(Don't jump all over me. I'm asking questions.)

I guess if you find a wad of cash with no ID in Vegas.
My first question to myself would be: "If I turn it into
security or the police .... "What are the ODDS it will be
returned to its rightful owner?" Where do I clik Wizard?

Possibly when this happens, it is a gift of God for
the finder.

I have returned wallets and lost dogs and the owners
showed no appreciation for my kind deed. If I find anything
with a name on it. I always turn it in... I have found at least
20 cell phones in the last 17 years and turned them all in.
My cell phone came back about 19 out of 20 times... not bad ODDS.

Just a few words of wisdom.
What are the odds you will find a wad of cash
in Vegas? They are good ... I am up over $600 in
about 17 years .... I have scooped up cash
just floating down the strip .... It is amazing, no one
was looking down. It pays to scan the ground once
and a while in Casinos and anywhere in Vegas.
Benjis, Tokens .... unplayed cash .... [Check out
the unplayed cash rules with NRS NEVADA].... Always put cash in before
you cash out and you are safe .... I don't know
the rules.

My best find was a laptop with Lexus Keys in a
computer bag Mirage Parking lot. I walked up to the concierge at
the Mirage and had to force her to take it .... I
hope she turned it in to security.... Would have
been fun though to trash a Lexus .... but
why take the risk? A few words of non-wisdom.
Oh, yea, for one reason or another I have found
about 10 credit cards....Just drop them in
your closest mailbox ... that is easy. Do not
ever scam a CC.

Oh Yea... I am walking down the street next to
a CVS and see a Forever 21 Gift Card on the
sidewalk. I scooped it up and later discovered
it had a $25 credit on it. I went to the outlet mall and bought a
nice shirt and discovered who Taylor Swift was
with the music they were playing... Yes
wrote too much. You never know when will
hit the big one just walking around Vegas....

Try magnet fishing in Lake Mead. Might find a rusted Tommy gun.

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Casino policy doesn't overrule State law. Taking property that doesn't belong to you is theft. Just because someone drops something doesn't mean it belongs to whoever picks it up.
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If a slot attendant told me to keep the money I'd keep it.
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Not sure it’s theft at that point anyway.
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Exactly.
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You are in possession of property that does not belong to you. If I drop my wallet, does it become yours if you find it?
If I leave my phone at a slot machine, does it belong to the next person who finds it? How about if you find my credit cards?
Are they yours to use? Why would cash be any different?
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Last casino visit I did find a phone AND a credit card in two separate areas. Both times I tried to find the owner but failed, and turned them in to lost and found. If I found a small amount of money I would also try and find the person who lost it, but after a reasonable effort, would just keep it. I'd risk the jail time. Seriously, if you found $1k on the street with no one nearby, what would you do?

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[. Seriously, if you found $1k on the street with no one nearby, what would you do?
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You know, if the laws changed so you were allowed to put the money in a savings account until someone claimed it, more people might get their money returned because more people might follow that requirement. You go report to the proper authority but then are allowed to put it in savings. Might call it a service charge for keeping it for the finder.

Just a theory. Of course, I don't know where i'm gonna spend that 3 pennies of interest. Not all in one place.

When I was living in Puerto Rico, a farmer dug up a 55-gallon drum filled with $20 bills. Then another turned up, and another. Before you knew it, the tiny town was flush with cash. Everyone was buying new cars, paying off houses and farms, etc,etc. The authorities warned everyone if they found money, even on their own land, that they had to turn it in and if no one claimed it, they would get most of it back.
I forget the details but few people came forward and a bunch of folks got arrested.

Didn't the guy convicted of kidnapping the Lindbergh baby claim he found the money?

It was many years before the traced money popped up. He claimed he found it in the attic of his new home I believe.

If he had turned it in his life may have ended different.

I guess if someone insists on taking a stack of found $100 bills, I suppose you could get a monogramed money clip, slip it on the stack before you turn it in. Usually they ask some specific questions of the person making the claim they lost it. Really low odds they wouldn't ask the person about that clip and the person won't get the details right or match the initials. So, Voila! You turned it in, and they couldn't ID the proper owner.

Of course, I think that's just a sneaky way to steal it,

If you find a parked car with keys in the ignition can you take it because it's a lost and abandoned car?

(I know it's a stretch but hey it seems okay to take things left on the street)

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If you find a parked car with keys in the ignition can you take it because it's a lost and abandoned car?

(I know it's a stretch but hey it seems okay to take things left on the street)
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A couple of my former colleagues lost cars that way.
So apparently, it can be done.
I never heard about any subsequent consequences for the other parties involved.

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If you find a parked car with keys in the ignition can you take it because it's a lost and abandoned car?

(I know it's a stretch but hey it seems okay to take things left on the street)
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There's a news item recently of a guy who went on the highways and towed stalled cars and sold them to a junkyard. He supposedly sold around 50 before the cops caught him, Junk yards are supposed have checks against buying stolen cars.

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If you find a parked car with keys in the ignition can you take it because it's a lost and abandoned car?

(I know it's a stretch but hey it seems okay to take things left on the street)
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While reading this thread, I thought of a similar scenario I remember from about 30 years ago. While walking through Westwood (a mostly retail area near UCLA), a buddy and I encountered a beemer that was parked in the street. The engine was running, and the driver’s door was wide open…

I won’t go into who did what.

A recent tale of leaving $200 in a slot machine.

I've been watching Reelz a lot whole working and this morning they had an episode of Cops where they set out bait wallets and what happens to the people who find them. A few hours later, in an episode of Jail, they were interviewing some of the same folks.

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A recent tale of leaving $200 in a slot machine.
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I wonder if giving patrons free play for stolen tickets is a standard policy at this place? If so, they are opening themselves up to getting scammed. I guess the goodwill they extend to the players overwhelmingly outweighs the risk that someome might pull a cheap stunt.

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A recent tale of leaving $200 in a slot machine.
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I wonder if giving patrons free play for stolen tickets is a standard policy at this place? If so, they are opening themselves up to getting scammed. I guess the goodwill they extend to the players overwhelmingly outweighs the risk that someome might pull a cheap stunt.
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They seem legit enough. They used their players cards, spent a lot of time at the casino's bar, and everything was on the surveillance video. And he blew all his free play!