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May 10th, 2022 at 7:36:34 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

What I see is a couple of people who keep making up wild scenarios to try and make up for the fact that the law simply isn't on their side. In other words, just another routine thread at the WOV.
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Well played. Not sure who the couple of people are. The hypotheticals have been generated by Alan and yourself as far as my review of the thread shows.
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May 10th, 2022 at 10:09:37 AM permalink
Person finds $1200 on the floor.

Person dutifully walks to security office to turn it in

Person reports to security personnel that they found $600 dollars.

Security person records that $200 dollars was found.
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May 10th, 2022 at 10:16:57 AM permalink
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Person finds $1200 on the floor.

Person dutifully walks to security office to turn it in

Person reports to security personnel that they found $600 dollars.

Security person records that $200 dollars was found.
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Person finds wallet with $1600 on floor of courthouse.

Person takes out $1600 and walks wallet to security.

Person reports he found wallet, ID inside but no cash.

Owner of wallet complains

Cameras show person finding wallet and removing $1600 before walking wallet to security.

Person who took $1600 is an attorney.

Person is charged with theft and disbarred.

True story!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.newsobserver.com/news/local/article199941659.html
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rxwine
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May 10th, 2022 at 10:43:41 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: rxwine

Person finds $1200 on the floor.

Person dutifully walks to security office to turn it in

Person reports to security personnel that they found $600 dollars.

Security person records that $200 dollars was found.
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Person finds wallet with $1600 on floor of courthouse.

Person takes out $1600 and walks wallet to security.

Person reports he found wallet, ID inside but no cash.

Owner of wallet complains

Cameras show person finding wallet and removing $1600 before walking wallet to security.

Person who took $1600 is an attorney.

Person is charged with theft and disbarred.

True story!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.newsobserver.com/news/local/article199941659.html
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You would think a skilled lawyer would know how to remove money from a wallet in his coat pocket without a reveal. And not be too greedy.
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AlanMendelson
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May 10th, 2022 at 10:47:43 AM permalink
Isnt there a difference between finding $1200 on the ground and finding $1300 on a machine?

Here's the biggest difference:

A players card and cameras can identify the owner of the money left on the machine.

By the way, years ago I saw this actually happen at Caesars. A player got a handpay and thought his machine was locked and went to the men's room.

It wasn't locked. When he returned his credits were cashed out. He immediately yelled for help. Security and attendants went scrambling but I dont know what the outcome was... if they found the person who cashed it out or not.

It was also around $1300.

This high limit room was the "mini dome room" at Caesars. It was crowded but no one saw anything. I was playing two machines over, and I saw nothing.

Frankly, who would? Each player is looking at their screen pressing buttons.
darkoz
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May 10th, 2022 at 11:27:05 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Isnt there a difference between finding $1200 on the ground and finding $1300 on a machine?

Here's the biggest difference:

A players card and cameras can identify the owner of the money left on the machine.

By the way, years ago I saw this actually happen at Caesars. A player got a handpay and thought his machine was locked and went to the men's room.

It wasn't locked. When he returned his credits were cashed out. He immediately yelled for help. Security and attendants went scrambling but I dont know what the outcome was... if they found the person who cashed it out or not.

It was also around $1300.

This high limit room was the "mini dome room" at Caesars. It was crowded but no one saw anything. I was playing two machines over, and I saw nothing.

Frankly, who would? Each player is looking at their screen pressing buttons.
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No there isn't any difference.

First you just made an assumption that a player's card was used. Bad assumption.

A) plenty of people play slots without a player card or just forget to insert the card, perhaps they left it at home and don't want to wait on line. They feel it makes them unlucky, etc. Does a person give up their rights to money left on a slot machine because they didn't have a player card inserted?

B) The other issue is people sometimes accidentally play on a player card that someone before them left in the slot. Does the casino hand the wrong person the money in that situation?

No, it all comes down to cameras. The players card isn't supposed to be used for identification purposes.

And if all they rely on is cameras why would it be any different if the cameras picked up who dropped the money lost on the gaming floor?
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AlanMendelson
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May 10th, 2022 at 11:32:24 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

Isnt there a difference between finding $1200 on the ground and finding $1300 on a machine?

Here's the biggest difference:

A players card and cameras can identify the owner of the money left on the machine.

By the way, years ago I saw this actually happen at Caesars. A player got a handpay and thought his machine was locked and went to the men's room.

It wasn't locked. When he returned his credits were cashed out. He immediately yelled for help. Security and attendants went scrambling but I dont know what the outcome was... if they found the person who cashed it out or not.

It was also around $1300.

This high limit room was the "mini dome room" at Caesars. It was crowded but no one saw anything. I was playing two machines over, and I saw nothing.

Frankly, who would? Each player is looking at their screen pressing buttons.
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No there isn't any difference.

First you just made an assumption that a player's card was used. Bad assumption.

A) plenty of people play slots without a player card or just forget to insert the card, perhaps they left it at home and don't want to wait on line. They feel it makes them unlucky, etc. Does a person give up their rights to money left on a slot machine because they didn't have a player card inserted?

B) The other issue is people sometimes accidentally play on a player card that someone before them left in the slot. Does the casino hand the wrong person the money in that situation?

No, it all comes down to cameras. The players card isn't supposed to be used for identification purposes.

And if all they rely on is cameras why would it be any different if the cameras picked up who dropped the money lost on the gaming floor?
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Okay then, they have the cameras to find the culprit.
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May 10th, 2022 at 12:23:53 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

Isnt there a difference between finding $1200 on the ground and finding $1300 on a machine?

Here's the biggest difference:

A players card and cameras can identify the owner of the money left on the machine.

By the way, years ago I saw this actually happen at Caesars. A player got a handpay and thought his machine was locked and went to the men's room.

It wasn't locked. When he returned his credits were cashed out. He immediately yelled for help. Security and attendants went scrambling but I dont know what the outcome was... if they found the person who cashed it out or not.

It was also around $1300.

This high limit room was the "mini dome room" at Caesars. It was crowded but no one saw anything. I was playing two machines over, and I saw nothing.

Frankly, who would? Each player is looking at their screen pressing buttons.
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No there isn't any difference.

First you just made an assumption that a player's card was used. Bad assumption.

A) plenty of people play slots without a player card or just forget to insert the card, perhaps they left it at home and don't want to wait on line. They feel it makes them unlucky, etc. Does a person give up their rights to money left on a slot machine because they didn't have a player card inserted?

B) The other issue is people sometimes accidentally play on a player card that someone before them left in the slot. Does the casino hand the wrong person the money in that situation?

No, it all comes down to cameras. The players card isn't supposed to be used for identification purposes.

And if all they rely on is cameras why would it be any different if the cameras picked up who dropped the money lost on the gaming floor?
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Okay then, they have the cameras to find the culprit.
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Look I am not arguing the morality of finders keepers. I think a lot of people grew up being taught that was the rule of the day.

But the law says different.

If you find a bag full of money and don't report it then hopefully you don't get arrested. Or have a mafia crew looking for you.
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AlanMendelson
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May 10th, 2022 at 12:27:10 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

Isnt there a difference between finding $1200 on the ground and finding $1300 on a machine?

Here's the biggest difference:

A players card and cameras can identify the owner of the money left on the machine.

By the way, years ago I saw this actually happen at Caesars. A player got a handpay and thought his machine was locked and went to the men's room.

It wasn't locked. When he returned his credits were cashed out. He immediately yelled for help. Security and attendants went scrambling but I dont know what the outcome was... if they found the person who cashed it out or not.

It was also around $1300.

This high limit room was the "mini dome room" at Caesars. It was crowded but no one saw anything. I was playing two machines over, and I saw nothing.

Frankly, who would? Each player is looking at their screen pressing buttons.
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No there isn't any difference.

First you just made an assumption that a player's card was used. Bad assumption.

A) plenty of people play slots without a player card or just forget to insert the card, perhaps they left it at home and don't want to wait on line. They feel it makes them unlucky, etc. Does a person give up their rights to money left on a slot machine because they didn't have a player card inserted?

B) The other issue is people sometimes accidentally play on a player card that someone before them left in the slot. Does the casino hand the wrong person the money in that situation?

No, it all comes down to cameras. The players card isn't supposed to be used for identification purposes.

And if all they rely on is cameras why would it be any different if the cameras picked up who dropped the money lost on the gaming floor?
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Okay then, they have the cameras to find the culprit.
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Look I am not arguing the morality of finders keepers. I think a lot of people grew up being taught that was the rule of the day.

But the law says different.

If you find a bag full of money and don't report it then hopefully you don't get arrested. Or have a mafia crew looking for you.
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I didnt make any moral judgments either. I just told what happened at Red Rock.

No one asked me if the slot attendant was correct. But somehow the messenger gets killed.
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May 10th, 2022 at 12:38:33 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AlanMendelson

Isnt there a difference between finding $1200 on the ground and finding $1300 on a machine?

Here's the biggest difference:

A players card and cameras can identify the owner of the money left on the machine.

By the way, years ago I saw this actually happen at Caesars. A player got a handpay and thought his machine was locked and went to the men's room.

It wasn't locked. When he returned his credits were cashed out. He immediately yelled for help. Security and attendants went scrambling but I dont know what the outcome was... if they found the person who cashed it out or not.

It was also around $1300.

This high limit room was the "mini dome room" at Caesars. It was crowded but no one saw anything. I was playing two machines over, and I saw nothing.

Frankly, who would? Each player is looking at their screen pressing buttons.
link to original post



No there isn't any difference.

First you just made an assumption that a player's card was used. Bad assumption.

A) plenty of people play slots without a player card or just forget to insert the card, perhaps they left it at home and don't want to wait on line. They feel it makes them unlucky, etc. Does a person give up their rights to money left on a slot machine because they didn't have a player card inserted?

B) The other issue is people sometimes accidentally play on a player card that someone before them left in the slot. Does the casino hand the wrong person the money in that situation?

No, it all comes down to cameras. The players card isn't supposed to be used for identification purposes.

And if all they rely on is cameras why would it be any different if the cameras picked up who dropped the money lost on the gaming floor?
link to original post



Okay then, they have the cameras to find the culprit.
link to original post



Look I am not arguing the morality of finders keepers. I think a lot of people grew up being taught that was the rule of the day.

But the law says different.

If you find a bag full of money and don't report it then hopefully you don't get arrested. Or have a mafia crew looking for you.
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I didnt make any moral judgments either. I just told what happened at Red Rock.

No one asked me if the slot attendant was correct. But somehow the messenger gets killed.
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That's how you see this,eh?
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