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May 8th, 2022 at 2:50:33 PM permalink
This may not have been how the other party thought they would lose their money at the casino.

I hope they at least got a drink comped.
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May 8th, 2022 at 2:52:02 PM permalink
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Just for fun and not to be taken as legal advice.

Googled the Nevada general theft statute. Note there may be more specific statute related to gaming. I didn’t look.

It has 10 different acts described that would be theft. Most relevant to finding lost money in a casino is as follows.

Quote: 2010 Nevada Code
TITLE 15 CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
Chapter 205 Crimes Against Property
NRS 205.0832 Actions which constitute theft.

(d) Comes into control of lost, mislaid or misdelivered property of another person under circumstances providing means of inquiry as to the true owner and appropriates that property to his or her own use or that of another person without reasonable efforts to notify the true owner.



I would think once an employee of the casino tells you to keep it, you have exercised “reasonable efforts.”
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I think the person who took the money with permission would be off the hook but the casino could be held liable.

The casino staff was wrong. They should have sent it to lost and found.

I hope if my wallet or cell phone gets mislaid in a casino the staff doesn't tell the first person that finds it to just abscond with my property.
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unJon
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May 8th, 2022 at 2:54:23 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: unJon

Just for fun and not to be taken as legal advice.

Googled the Nevada general theft statute. Note there may be more specific statute related to gaming. I didn’t look.

It has 10 different acts described that would be theft. Most relevant to finding lost money in a casino is as follows.

Quote: 2010 Nevada Code
TITLE 15 CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
Chapter 205 Crimes Against Property
NRS 205.0832 Actions which constitute theft.

(d) Comes into control of lost, mislaid or misdelivered property of another person under circumstances providing means of inquiry as to the true owner and appropriates that property to his or her own use or that of another person without reasonable efforts to notify the true owner.



I would think once an employee of the casino tells you to keep it, you have exercised “reasonable efforts.”
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I think the person who took the money with permission would be on the hook but the casino could be held liable.

The casino staff was wrong. They should have sent it to lost and found.

I hope if my wallet or cell phone gets mislaid in a casino the staff doesn't tell the first person that finds it to just abscond with my property.
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100% agree the casino employee was wrong. That’s separate from whether the person that ended up with the money committed the crime of theft.
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May 8th, 2022 at 5:10:17 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Quote: darkoz

Quote: unJon

Just for fun and not to be taken as legal advice.

Googled the Nevada general theft statute. Note there may be more specific statute related to gaming. I didn’t look.

It has 10 different acts described that would be theft. Most relevant to finding lost money in a casino is as follows.

Quote: 2010 Nevada Code
TITLE 15 CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
Chapter 205 Crimes Against Property
NRS 205.0832 Actions which constitute theft.

(d) Comes into control of lost, mislaid or misdelivered property of another person under circumstances providing means of inquiry as to the true owner and appropriates that property to his or her own use or that of another person without reasonable efforts to notify the true owner.



I would think once an employee of the casino tells you to keep it, you have exercised “reasonable efforts.”
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I think the person who took the money with permission would be on the hook but the casino could be held liable.

The casino staff was wrong. They should have sent it to lost and found.

I hope if my wallet or cell phone gets mislaid in a casino the staff doesn't tell the first person that finds it to just abscond with my property.
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100% agree the casino employee was wrong. That’s separate from whether the person that ended up with the money committed the crime of theft.
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Yeah I meant *off the hook, not on the hook if that wasn't obvious. I went back and corrected my post.
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May 8th, 2022 at 6:45:00 PM permalink
How do you know the employee was wrong? Did anyone ask the casino what their policy is?
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May 8th, 2022 at 7:25:04 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

How do you know the employee was wrong? Did anyone ask the casino what their policy is?
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Nothing to do with casinos policy. Most every state has a law which dictates what the correct thing to do is
And has a law on the books criminalizing what you saw the casino do.

Las Vegas:





NEW JERSEY






What to do in NEW YORK:



I am confident that you will find most every State has some statute on the books about lost property including money.
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AlanMendelson
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May 8th, 2022 at 8:22:21 PM permalink
Did you read what you posted about Nevada?

Let's go back to what happened at Red Rock:

The player found $1200.
The slot attendant said keep it.

Obviously if the slot attendant said keep it, the player brought it to the attention of the slot attendant who represents the casino.

This law wasn't broken. The player made an effort.

So the question is, what's the policy of the casino?

There is another law in Nevada that says money found abandoned on casino property belongs to the casino. That might usurp the other law.
unJon
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May 8th, 2022 at 8:25:53 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Did you read what you posted about Nevada?

Let's go back to what happened at Red Rock:

The player found $1200.
The slot attendant said keep it.

Obviously if the slot attendant said keep it, the player brought it to the attention of the slot attendant who represents the casino.

This law wasn't broken. The player made an effort.

So the question is, what's the policy of the casino?
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That’s not the question. There’s also the question of whether the casino employee violated Nevada law by not conducting a reasonable inquiry into the owner of the $1,200. Given access to cameras, I would have thought they had a duty to check those.

I think the casino is not off the hook given what happened. Person that kept the money probably was off hook.
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darkoz
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May 8th, 2022 at 10:00:56 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Did you read what you posted about Nevada?

Let's go back to what happened at Red Rock:

The player found $1200.
The slot attendant said keep it.

Obviously if the slot attendant said keep it, the player brought it to the attention of the slot attendant who represents the casino.

This law wasn't broken. The player made an effort.

So the question is, what's the policy of the casino?

There is another law in Nevada that says money found abandoned on casino property belongs to the casino. That might usurp the other law.
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You asked what the casino rules were. I highly doubt the casinos rules about lost property is to violate state law.

The person who brought the item to the Casino employees is probably off the hook but not necessarily. A good faith effort to locate a person who lost their property may not be as simple as you suggest in this scenario.

I could see a DA arguing that the person in question knew that the employees were not being thorough in their search for the owner as they just shrugged their shoulders and said keep the property. $1200 is already grand theft. What if it was ten orange $5000 chips? You think an employee just shrugging and saying keep fifty grand and that person says they got permission from casino employees to keep it would fly?

If I find your wallet on the floor at a burger king and I ask the cashier can I keep it, you think her permission absolves me from a good faith effort to locate you?

As they say possession is a large portion of the law. In the end, the possession of the property isn't by those casino employees and I can see them being off the hook faster than the person who asked permission.
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May 8th, 2022 at 10:39:07 PM permalink
Nevada law says the finder must make a reasonable effort to return it to the owner. Asking one random person is not a reasonable effort.
Turning it into the lost and found would be. Posting on Craigs List would be. I believe the onus is on you to show you weren't planning on keeping it.
'An unidentified female employee told me I could keep the __________ I found in the casino " is something you tell your cellmate, not the arresting officer.
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