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April 20th, 2022 at 6:30:09 PM permalink
Will I draw attention if I'm hole carding and winning a lot or if I play too long? When's a good time to leave?

I'm looking at playing ultimate Texas Holdem $50 ante. Although the table minimums are $10 and $15.

Should I be worried about playing at Indian casinos where I heard set their own laws/rules?

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April 20th, 2022 at 10:29:42 PM permalink
don't be too aggressive with your play . blend in with the ploppies bet . don't be the highest bettor . Drink and have an act if you can , try to have a spotter . if you don't have one , don't slouch ...common sense. The most important is get to know how they run the place and who are the sharp pit personnel. Hope this helps
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April 22nd, 2022 at 3:18:11 PM permalink
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don't be too aggressive with your play . blend in with the ploppies bet . don't be the highest bettor . Drink and have an act if you can , try to have a spotter . if you don't have one , don't slouch ...common sense. The most important is get to know how they run the place and who are the sharp pit personnel. Hope this helps
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And don't 4x your 7-2 offsuit.
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April 22nd, 2022 at 7:00:14 PM permalink
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don't be too aggressive with your play . blend in with the ploppies bet . don't be the highest bettor . Drink and have an act if you can , try to have a spotter . if you don't have one , don't slouch ...common sense. The most important is get to know how they run the place and who are the sharp pit personnel. Hope this helps
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And don't 4x your 7-2 offsuit.
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yeah i normally 10x my 72 duce off good catch!
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April 22nd, 2022 at 8:07:38 PM permalink
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Quote: teliot

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don't be too aggressive with your play . blend in with the ploppies bet . don't be the highest bettor . Drink and have an act if you can , try to have a spotter . if you don't have one , don't slouch ...common sense. The most important is get to know how they run the place and who are the sharp pit personnel. Hope this helps
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And don't 4x your 7-2 offsuit.
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yeah i normally 10x my 72 duce off good catch!
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April 23rd, 2022 at 3:27:11 PM permalink
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Quote: teliot

Quote: Sg

don't be too aggressive with your play . blend in with the ploppies bet . don't be the highest bettor . Drink and have an act if you can , try to have a spotter . if you don't have one , don't slouch ...common sense. The most important is get to know how they run the place and who are the sharp pit personnel. Hope this helps
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And don't 4x your 7-2 offsuit.
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yeah i normally 10x my 72 duce off good catch!
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10x is not allowed in UTH. Maybe you are thinking of some other game.
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April 23rd, 2022 at 3:58:18 PM permalink
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Quote: teliot

Quote: Sg

don't be too aggressive with your play . blend in with the ploppies bet . don't be the highest bettor . Drink and have an act if you can , try to have a spotter . if you don't have one , don't slouch ...common sense. The most important is get to know how they run the place and who are the sharp pit personnel. Hope this helps
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And don't 4x your 7-2 offsuit.
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yeah i normally 10x my 72 duce off good catch!
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10x is not allowed in UTH. Maybe you are thinking of some other game.
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im so ignorant about most of these subjects you can take my word as jest most of the time ... borderline hijacking almost
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April 23rd, 2022 at 4:58:06 PM permalink
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Quote: teliot

Quote: Sg

don't be too aggressive with your play . blend in with the ploppies bet . don't be the highest bettor . Drink and have an act if you can , try to have a spotter . if you don't have one , don't slouch ...common sense. The most important is get to know how they run the place and who are the sharp pit personnel. Hope this helps
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And don't 4x your 7-2 offsuit.
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yeah i normally 10x my 72 duce off good catch!
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10x is not allowed in UTH. Maybe you are thinking of some other game.
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im so ignorant about most of these subjects you can take my word as jest most of the time ... borderline hijacking almost
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No problem, but fact checking is really not that difficult and is really a great way to enhance personal credibility. I mean, if I were to say we are doomed due to 420 ppm CO2 and 1910.8 CH4, together with a record Antarctic sea-ice minimum, I mean, I would fact check that before I posted it.

But yeah, hole-carding UTH requires a fair amount of cover plays, as the opportunities to max bet truly crappy holdings abound.
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April 23rd, 2022 at 5:18:45 PM permalink
The OP (and others) have likely worked this out already, but the reason you wouldn't "4 x raise a 7-2 off suit" is because:

a) In most situations "it is the wrong play mathematically" (really obvious)
b) If you "4 x raise" because you know that the 7 is the next card coming on the flop, you do have somewhere around ~64% of winning^^^ that hand. But, your play will probably be "scrutinized to death*** ", after doing that (especially if you continued to play at that table/casino, after making that play)

^^^: "Average win chance" based on figures from a holdem calculator app, so I don't know if that figure is correct, or not.

***: Betting "4x raise" on that hand would be similar to "standing on a 6 vs dealer 6 in BJ, when playing one on one, if you know the next card is a 10" (at least in terms of "raising eyebrows" / "having extra scrutiny on your play from surveillance", etc).
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April 23rd, 2022 at 9:41:03 PM permalink
You don’t need to holecard on UTH to draw heat. Just sit down, buy in for more than $200 and put your bets up and don’t bet the side bets. Then 4x your ace. Every eye within 15 feet will be on you. God forbid you’re playing heads up holdem and get pocket aces. Might as well just muck that. They’ll be talking for weeks about the guy who got aces but didn’t bet it.
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April 23rd, 2022 at 10:16:52 PM permalink
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You don’t need to holecard on UTH to draw heat. Just sit down, buy in for more than $200 and put your bets up and don’t bet the side bets. Then 4x your ace. Every eye within 15 feet will be on you. God forbid you’re playing heads up holdem and get pocket aces. Might as well just muck that. They’ll be talking for weeks about the guy who got aces but didn’t bet it.
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Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I've been doing that and no one has batted an eye...
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April 24th, 2022 at 8:14:25 AM permalink
If a good hole carding situation arises, you might as well beat it to death as quick as possible as others will quickly latch on to it and burn it out.
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April 24th, 2022 at 8:36:51 AM permalink
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You don’t need to holecard on UTH to draw heat. Just sit down, buy in for more than $200 and put your bets up and don’t bet the side bets. Then 4x your ace. Every eye within 15 feet will be on you. God forbid you’re playing heads up holdem and get pocket aces. Might as well just muck that. They’ll be talking for weeks about the guy who got aces but didn’t bet it.
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Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I've been doing that and no one has batted an eye...
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Yup, it's called basic strategy.
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April 24th, 2022 at 4:27:14 PM permalink
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If a good hole carding situation arises, you might as well beat it to death as quick as possible as others will quickly latch on to it and burn it out.
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doesnt this only last till the dealer change?
how often do table dealers table change?

and what best position to sit figure out if dealer is exposing cards?
1st base? 3rd base?
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April 24th, 2022 at 4:36:47 PM permalink
I wasn't hole-carding , but I played my first game of ultimate Texas Holdem yesterday, and noticed the following:

1) Within the first few rounds, I got paid on all three bets (play-blind-ante) when I had a winning hand with a pair, I think this increases the expected value by at least +4.7% (so for that hand, it was a +EV bet for me?)
2) "Not very important overall", but before I had to make a decision, I could see the cards of the person to my right more than 50% of the time (even with "full table info" it is not enough to overcome the house edge ?, but I would still be interested to know what things like that are worth^^^).

^^^: This may have been written about in other threads (under something like "player collusion").
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April 24th, 2022 at 5:22:37 PM permalink
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If a good hole carding situation arises, you might as well beat it to death as quick as possible as others will quickly latch on to it and burn it out.
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doesnt this only last till the dealer change?
how often do table dealers table change?

and what best position to sit figure out if dealer is exposing cards?
1st base? 3rd base?
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Ideally, you want to control every spot.
About a decade ago, a long-time dealer downtown suddenly started flashing. The story goes that by his third shift, the LVHCM flooded his table.
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April 24th, 2022 at 11:44:26 PM permalink
If you don't want to go to jail, is very stupid idea to use information in every round.

For example, in the classic “Casino Texas hold 'em” is enough 1 time in 10 make a fold (more than in the basic strategy) noticing a stronger card from the croupier (those. lose -1ante instead of -3ante). And your expected value will increase and gambler mathematical expectation will increase by +6%, instead of -2,2% it will become +4,2%
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April 25th, 2022 at 7:00:51 AM permalink
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You don’t need to holecard on UTH to draw heat. Just sit down, buy in for more than $200 and put your bets up and don’t bet the side bets. Then 4x your ace. Every eye within 15 feet will be on you. God forbid you’re playing heads up holdem and get pocket aces. Might as well just muck that. They’ll be talking for weeks about the guy who got aces but didn’t bet it.
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Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I've been doing that and no one has batted an eye...
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Well I guess you’ve found the super special spot.
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April 25th, 2022 at 1:01:43 PM permalink
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If a good hole carding situation arises, you might as well beat it to death as quick as possible as others will quickly latch on to it and burn it out.
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doesnt this only last till the dealer change?
how often do table dealers table change?

and what best position to sit figure out if dealer is exposing cards?
1st base? 3rd base?
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Depends on the dealer on how they pick up the cards. There is one dealer at a casino I play at and not only does he flash one of his hole cards, but flashes one or 2 cards of the flop. It has back fired on occasion, betting max and 4x and taking some bad beats. I sit at 1st base to gain advantage from this particular dealer.
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April 25th, 2022 at 1:16:49 PM permalink
A notorious BJ player claims to have played in wheelchairs so he could be low enough to see the dealers' cards. I was dubious until I knelt on the floor and observed a home game. The different angle was eye-opening.
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April 25th, 2022 at 2:40:36 PM permalink
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Will I draw attention if I'm hole carding and winning a lot or if I play too long? When's a good time to leave?
I'm looking at playing ultimate Texas Holdem $50 ante. Although the table minimums are $10 and $15.
Should I be worried about playing at Indian casinos where I heard set their own laws/rules?
Thanks guys 👍
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Hi !
What other card games are there in that casino except Ultimate Texas Holdem?
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April 25th, 2022 at 7:28:30 PM permalink
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If you don't want to go to jail, is very stupid idea to use information in every round.

For example, in the classic “Casino Texas hold 'em” is enough 1 time in 10 make a fold (more than in the basic strategy) noticing a stronger card from the croupier (those. lose -1ante instead of -3ante). And your expected value will increase and gambler mathematical expectation will increase by +6%, instead of -2,2% it will become +4,2%
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Why would he go to jail? holecarding isn't illegal as long as there's no dealer collusion.
Having players share their cards also isn't illegal. It'll probably get you banned from the casino but can you elaborate on what part can get someone in jail?
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April 26th, 2022 at 12:51:19 AM permalink
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Why would he go to jail? holecarding isn't illegal as long as there's no dealer collusion.
Having players share their cards also isn't illegal. It'll probably get you banned from the casino but can you elaborate on what part can get someone in jail?
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At first I thought it was collusion with dealer, ar micro cam
: )

I'm surprised there are casinos in the US with lax table procedures, in Eastern Europe and Russia, there is almost nowhere for a dealer to deal cards from his hand
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