MDawg
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January 3rd, 2022 at 11:09:11 AM permalink
Now comes the time when MDawg says, I don't believe you.

If you could re-verify the information somehow, I could be convinced.
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January 3rd, 2022 at 11:38:00 AM permalink
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Are you confirming then that you have no personal experience with any of this and get your theories off the internet? Are you saying that the confirmation of another stay at home is all it takes to confirm your own stay at home theories? Anyway I didn't mean to imply that you made things up, just saying that is not the way it is, today.

In any case, in 2005, and perhaps even in 2007 (at the time of Theroux's documentary), independent hosts might have benefited from the losses of their players, but today, in Vegas, in house hosts are all straight salaried. (As well, scanning that scholarly writing you referenced, many of the annotations refer to data from 1994.)

In the same way that divorce attorneys are not allowed to obtain a contingency of the settlement and must work for a straight rate I suppose it would be considered a conflict of interest for a host to get a percentage of a player's losses. In any case, nothing like that is happening in Vegas today.
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you were born doing and knowing how to do all of this right?

not a single person just knows stuff like this they have to learn it somewhere.

just because you do this doesnt mean you can get all tight assed about when someone decides to be in a conversation trying to answer a question. I did it to the best of my ability based on what i read from someone who wrote about it for their schools dissertation.

it seemed thorough enough that it could be a starting point to the discussion.

and thats what were doing in order for us all to learn.

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January 3rd, 2022 at 11:43:41 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Now comes the time when MDawg says, I don't believe you.

If you could re-verify the information somehow, I could be convinced.
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If you are talking to me, I don't care if you believe me or not. I was told by two hosts at Trop that they get a percentage of theo. They are friends of mine so I don't know why they would mislead me. They have both been there over 15 years so maybe it is different for them or what they re telling me is not true. I don't care enough to argue about it.

My wife was good friends with Steve Cyr's wife and I know he got a percentage but that may have been when he was independent and not on staff.
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January 3rd, 2022 at 12:01:29 PM permalink
As I posted, independents did used to get a percentage of losses in Vegas but that was many years ago.

Today, in house Vegas hosts get salary only.

Says the Pope of Las Vegas.

I suppose all of what we know about this would be considered hearsay, in that none of us are hosts, but my information is consistent based on what all of the hosts at all of the properties have told me, including at least one independent host. Plus, I'm in the mix, playing daily and no host does anything other than root for me to win, and genuinely feels bad when I have a losing session, and none of that is faked. I know these hosts well, I deal with them daily when I am in Vegas staying at the casinos, which is quite often lately.

Hosts really don't care if you win or lose because they know that for every winner there will be several losers - in other words, the property will profit even if their players win. Of course, in the end, how many players do win? Not many, so the system works itself out with or without the host's positive input to the players.

I have never had a host who wanted me to lose. You do mention theoretical loss, which does not necessarily mean actual loss, but still, it implies that the level of action of the player has something directly to do with the host's compensation, which no in house host I deal with is compensated in that way, and that is across quite a few properties.
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January 3rd, 2022 at 12:05:43 PM permalink
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I personally know two casino hosts at the Tropicana that get a percentage of the theo from their players. Of course, they have both been there many many years so their deal might be different.
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By any chance, is one Joe and the other one Mark?
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January 3rd, 2022 at 12:42:06 PM permalink
It's a bit out of date but the book about super host Steve Cyr, "Whale Hunt in the Desert" is a good read.
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January 3rd, 2022 at 1:06:31 PM permalink
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None of this is correct. It might've been years and years ago, but these days at every Vegas casino I play at in house hosts are salaried and don't get a penny more or less if their players win or lose. The only thing that happens if a player doesn't play enough or flat out stops playing for long enough is that if the host is a top level one will simply drop the player to a different host or have the player assigned to no specific host at all.

I am aware that in some Indian casinos in California INDEPENDENT (as in, outside) hosts still get a % of their players' losses, but even this sort of thing for independent hosts stopped years ago in Vegas.
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Just three weeks ago Caesars Palace advertised for a host. The job description said salary plus commissions.
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January 3rd, 2022 at 1:11:48 PM permalink
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and genuinely feels bad when I have a losing session, and none of that is faked.


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Hahahaha!!!

They GENUINELY (hahahah) feel BAD! BAD!!! They feel BADLY if he loses!!!! None of it is faked!!!!! Never!!!!

Of course he could tell the difference if they did fake it too. Bahahahaha!!!!!

Some of the unintentionally funniest stuff I have ever read on this site.
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January 3rd, 2022 at 1:58:20 PM permalink
If I put a big burlap bag over my head such that I couldn't see, I'd still see, sense and know more than most.
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January 3rd, 2022 at 2:50:23 PM permalink
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If I put a big burlap bag over my head such that I couldn't see, I'd still see, sense and know more than most.
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I donít know if they make burlap bags that big
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