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August 13th, 2021 at 9:27:11 AM permalink
Caesars Palace has a no-commission table where a banker win on 6 is only paid at 50%. How often does the bank win with 6 ? Is it better to play this game than it is to play regular pay-commission bacarrat
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August 13th, 2021 at 9:32:01 AM permalink
Im not the best math guy here, but Im pretty good.

I calculated the odds of a Banker 6 at 5.39%.

I did it quickly. Hope Im not terribly wrong.
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August 13th, 2021 at 9:43:40 AM permalink
Cosmopolitan has the Banker 6 pays 50%. I don't play this table much, but I think it is any 6.

Station Casinos has the Banker three card 7 pays NOTHING commissionless table.

Once at Station I had a $10,000. bet on Bank, player had a 6 I had a 1 to start. Bank drew a 6 which won the hand for me but I was paid nothing.
That same session I had a $5,000. bet on Bank, player started with a 4 and drew a face card Bank started with a 2 and drew a five and again I was paid nothing.

That's essentially $300,000. in Bank payouts at 5% commission that I paid all at once. And keep in mind that I vary my bet a lot, so it's not like all my bets were 5-10K, but those two happened to be.

After that, I had them change the table when I am playing to regular commission.

Over time, sure, maybe it all evens out but I wasn't going to stick around long enough for that to happen.

In general, if you are betting big, avoid commissionless tables, is my advice.
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August 13th, 2021 at 1:43:32 PM permalink
I was asked to make an appearance here.

I cover these and other forms of commission-free baccarat at WoO.
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August 13th, 2021 at 1:46:09 PM permalink
Im glad to see my math was really, really close!
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October 31st, 2023 at 12:34:56 AM permalink
Hi, would you mind sharing your math for this Banker 6. how do you get 5.39%? I'm interested in this
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October 31st, 2023 at 11:23:49 AM permalink
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Hi, would you mind sharing your math for this Banker 6. how do you get 5.39%? I'm interested in this
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Some of us have spreadsheets with every single possible combination of cards (ignoring suits) for the player+banker hands in baccarat, along with the probability of occurrence and payout for each hand. It's relatively straightforward to manipulate features of the hands (such as changing to 50% payout on hands where Banker has a total of 6) to analyze specific variations.
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October 31st, 2023 at 1:32:03 PM permalink
^ Yes the spreadsheet can simplified to cards of 0 thru 9, where there are initially four times as many 0's as other cards. Then you work out how often no additional cards are taken, and for other situations add cards 0 thru 9 to either side as needed. Some will have created this list via programming, others using excel. The problem is this is more than 32k lines, so some care is needed; but it is possible. I think my spreadsheet splits it across several sheets.

If it's 5% comission then you're better to play Banker; it's best to avoid Punto Banco 2000, but if you must, bet Player.

The site I usually reference ( https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/ ) seems currently unavailable, but it would show the same figures as on the WoO page mentioned above.
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October 31st, 2023 at 7:36:50 PM permalink
Hi, where to find the spreadsheets? thank u for replying
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October 31st, 2023 at 11:14:40 PM permalink
You can download mine at https://miplet.net/bacinfo.xlsb
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November 1st, 2023 at 11:50:11 PM permalink
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You can download mine at /bacinfo.xlsb
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thanks miplet

what does it mean?
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 total
128 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 416
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November 2nd, 2023 at 12:55:29 AM permalink
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You can download mine at /bacinfo.xlsb
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thanks miplet

what does it mean?
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 total
128 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 416
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Itís the deck composition. Change the 128 to 96 and the 32s to 24 for 6 decks.
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November 15th, 2023 at 8:06:25 PM permalink
hi, one more question for the columns, please help to see if I understood correctly.
P1 P2 B1 B2 D1 D2 P TOTAL B TOTAL PDRAW BDRAW WINNER COMBINATIONS
P1; P2, the point of player's1st /2nd card
B1; B2, the point of banker's 1st/2nd card

D1; D2: D1 means the point was drawn for the player, and D2 means the point was drawn for the banker?

P total: total point of player
B total: total point of banker

Pdraw: means?
Bdraw: means ?

Winner: who is the winner
combinations: the combination for this case.(the whole row)


thank you

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Quote: miplet

You can download mine at /bacinfo.xlsb
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thanks miplet

what does it mean?
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 total
128 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 32 416
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Itís the deck composition. Change the 128 to 96 and the 32s to 24 for 6 decks.
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November 16th, 2023 at 2:01:35 AM permalink
Quote: newowner

hi, one more question for the columns, please help to see if I understood correctly.
P1 P2 B1 B2 D1 D2 P TOTAL B TOTAL PDRAW BDRAW WINNER COMBINATIONS
P1; P2, the point of player's1st /2nd card
B1; B2, the point of banker's 1st/2nd card

D1; D2: D1 means the point was drawn for the player, and D2 means the point was drawn for the banker?

P total: total point of player
B total: total point of banker

Pdraw: means?
Bdraw: means ?

Winner: who is the winner
combinations: the combination for this case.(the whole row)


thank you
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D1 is the point for the first draw card if any. Will be blank if no draws were done.
D2 is the point for the second draw card if any. Will be blank if two cards draws were not drawn.

Pdraw will be 1 if the Player drew a card or 0 if they didnít.
Bdraw will be 1 if the Banker drew a card or 0 if they didnít.

Also P1/P2 and B1/B2 are sorted to keep the rows down. If the Players first two cards were a 8 and 6, they will be counted in P1=6 P2=8 regardless of which card was drawn first.
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