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June 25th, 2020 at 4:20:16 PM permalink
Why are there almost no single zero roulette wheels across the United States? Is this because of casino's greed, players not caring much about odds here, a combination of both of these things, or some other reason entirely?
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June 25th, 2020 at 4:46:21 PM permalink
I think it’s because roulette is not very popular here

Not relative to Europe anyway.
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June 25th, 2020 at 4:48:44 PM permalink
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Why are there almost no single zero roulette wheels across the United States? Is this because of casino's greed, players not caring much about odds here, a combination of both of these things, or some other reason entirely?



You must not have ever studied a double zeros number layout. Take a long hard look and compare it to the single zero, then ask yourself, "How easy is it to remember the random layout of a single zero wheel compared to the layout of a double zero wheel?" and you will come to the conclusion that the casinos wanted to help us win!
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June 25th, 2020 at 6:03:17 PM permalink
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Why are there almost no single zero roulette wheels across the United States? Is this because of casino's greed, players not caring much about odds here, a combination of both of these things, or some other reason entirely?

Both. And that’s also why triple zero is becoming popular.

For what it’s worth, most casinos have single zero in the high limit room.

The Plaza, on Fremont Street, has a low limit single zero wheel right on the main casino floor!
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June 25th, 2020 at 6:21:43 PM permalink
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You must not have ever studied a double zeros number layout. Take a long hard look and compare it to the single zero, then ask yourself, "How easy is it to remember the random layout of a single zero wheel compared to the layout of a double zero wheel?" and you will come to the conclusion that the casinos wanted to help us win!



How can you take advantage of the wheel layout unless there is some type of physical bias? I don't see how the wheel layout would affect anything, even if you were able to choose your own layout, like having it go 1,2,3,4,etc.. or anything you wanted. Perhaps you know something we don't?
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June 25th, 2020 at 6:39:32 PM permalink
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Why are there almost no single zero roulette wheels across the United States? Is this because of casino's greed, players not caring much about odds here, a combination of both of these things, or some other reason entirely?



Because Roulette players are so stupid, they can't see the difference between single and double zero wheels. Most would and will play triple zero wheels. Stupidity knows no bound!
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June 25th, 2020 at 6:56:12 PM permalink
Clocking the wheel or just lucky?
From 25€ to 7000€ at AUTO ROULETTE, EVOLUTION GAMING (HIGH STAKES, BIG WIN) - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzPaFtpDNwA

Single-zero wheel
0-32-15-19-4-21-2-25-17-34-6-27-13-36-11-30-8-23-10-5-24-16-33-1-20-14-31-9-22-18-29-7-28-12-35-3-26
Double-zero wheel
0-28-9-26-30-11-7-20-32-17-5-22-34-15-3-24-36-13-1-00-27-10-25-29-12-8-19-31-18-6-21-33-16-4-23-35-14-2
Triple-zero wheel
0-000-00-32-15-19-4-21-2-25-17-34-6-27-13-36-11-30-8-23-10-5-24-16-33-1-20-14-31-9-22-18-29-7-28-12-35-3-26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette

So I'm working on my 10 in a row progressive dozen bet. I could win 91 times my original bet if I hit it really early; 85 times my original bet if I win one of 12 straight-up bets 10 times in a row.

Most Euro wheels in Vegas have a $100 minimum, there are a couple of exceptions if you can find them.
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Difference Between European Roulette and Single Zero Roulette
European Roulette and single zero appear to be the same but there is one major difference. European Roulette has a rule known as “la partage.” This returns half of an even money bet if the ball lands on zero. This cuts the house edge on red/black, odd/even and hi/lo to 1.35%. All other bets on both tables have a 2.7% house edge.

Encore, Wynn, and upscale MGM properties are the only ones that offer European Roulette in Las Vegas. The minimum bet at MGM Grand is either $10 or $25. The others all require at least $100 to play.
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June 25th, 2020 at 7:13:47 PM permalink
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How can you take advantage of the wheel layout unless there is some type of physical bias? I don't see how the wheel layout would affect anything, even if you were able to choose your own layout, like having it go 1,2,3,4,etc.. or anything you wanted. Perhaps you know something we don't?



I do believe without RRS yes
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June 25th, 2020 at 7:30:36 PM permalink
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Because Roulette players are so stupid, they can't see the difference between single and double zero wheels.



Kinda true. Single zero dealers in
Vegas have told me people are
leery of them because they think
the casino has more of an advantage
than with a double zero wheel.
People also enjoy betting the zeros,
the more there are the more they
bet. The think they're 'beating the
house' every time they win. Roulette
players tend to be not very bright,
all they see is the 35/1 payout.
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June 26th, 2020 at 11:36:31 AM permalink
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The others all require at least $100 to play.


What are the usual maximum bets for these european roulette tables that have minimums of $100?
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June 26th, 2020 at 1:14:40 PM permalink
Looks like $1,000 or $5,000 or $10,000.
I'd be turning $20,000 into $200,000 if I was betting even money bets on the ones with the 1.35% HA on even money bets.
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June 26th, 2020 at 3:19:10 PM permalink
In July 1996, I stayed at the Monte Carlo Resort and Casino, which had opened a month earlier. One of its marketing highlights was “European-style” single-zero roulette. Ten years later, the single-zero wheel was open only on Friday and Saturday nights (according to the American Casino Guide).

When I first studied roulette in the mid-90s I had the idea to track six-slot “pie slices” of the roulette wheel. I got as far as remembering the six numbers to the right of the zero slot. So one time I plunked down $100 at an empty table at John Ascuaga’s Nugget. The dealer asked “would you like a cocktail?” and I felt like a high roller! I bet $1 on each of the six numbers to the right of the zero. If my memory is correct, I hit two of those numbers before 16 spins, as I recall being “lucky.” I cashed out a winner! (And I haven’t played roulette since.)
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June 26th, 2020 at 3:23:57 PM permalink
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In July 1996, I stayed at the Monte Carlo Resort and Casino, which had opened a month earlier. One of its marketing highlights was their “European-style” single-zero roulette. Ten years later, the single-zero wheel was open only on Friday and Saturday nights (according to the American Casino Guide).

When I first studied roulette in the mid-90s I had the idea about tracking six-slot “pie slices” of the roulette wheel. I got as far as remembering the six numbers to the right of the zero slot. So one time I plunked down $100 at an empty table at John Ascuaga’s Nugget. The dealer asked “would you like a cocktail?” and I felt like a high roller! I bet $1 on each of the six numbers to the right of the zero. If my memory is correct, I hit two of those numbers before 16 spins, as I recall being “lucky.” I cashed out a winner! (And I haven’t played roulette since.)



Casinos hate you for your one easy trick. (lol)
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June 27th, 2020 at 8:23:07 AM permalink
Clearly there was no real trick other than the average mathematical expectations of chance. If there was, why would he only do it once and not make a fortune by exploiting it and proving all the experts, like the Wizard wrong?
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June 27th, 2020 at 9:32:46 AM permalink
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Clearly there was no real trick other than the average mathematical expectations of chance. If there was, why would he only do it once and not make a fortune by exploiting it and proving all the experts, like the Wizard wrong?



I know I’m having fun here but I’ll get back to being serious as that I truly believe if a wheel doesn’t have RRS that it can be beaten with VB if you can memorize the wheel layout and are good at staring at a wheel constantly spin and are good at watching where the ball is released at.
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June 27th, 2020 at 12:03:15 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Kinda true. Single zero dealers in
Vegas have told me people are
leery of them because they think
the casino has more of an advantage
than with a double zero wheel.
People also enjoy betting the zeros,
the more there are the more they
bet. The think they're 'beating the
house' every time they win. Roulette
players tend to be not very bright,
all they see is the 35/1 payout.



I’ve had table managers tell me double zero is better for the player than single zero.
And I’ve also had others tell me that if I just cover the 00 with a chip than I’m negating the difference in odds between single and double zero tables
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June 27th, 2020 at 4:51:44 PM permalink
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Casinos hate you for your one easy trick. (lol)



No need to click clickbait!

Speaking of which, in the clickbait ad that shows a woman playing a slot machine on the left, and a square-ish opening with a yellowish handle on the right, the picture on the right is the front opening of a pinball machine.
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June 28th, 2020 at 3:37:52 AM permalink
I have no idea what the maximum inside bets would be. My local casino could be $10-$100 on the outside bet and $10-$25 on the inside bets. Seems like they killed the game with malice. I can't find much in google to tell me about inside bets. I thought I read about $150 to any number.

Here's a post from 10 years ago.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/2003-table-limits-on-roulette-in-vegas/#post16509
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June 28th, 2020 at 4:46:43 AM permalink
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I can't find much in google to tell me about inside bets. I thought I read about $150 to any number.

I may be completely wrong here but…

It’s my understanding that the maximum bets on the roulette table are something like “$X to any number” using X for 1.

In other words, if it was $3,600 to a number, then you can bet $100 straight up, or $200 on the split, etc. They each pay $3,600. But you could NOT bet both since that would pay $7,200.
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June 28th, 2020 at 4:57:58 AM permalink
Roulette Betting Limitations
https://www.casinonewsdaily.com/roulette-guide/roulette-betting-limitations

Table Maximum
The maximum limit for inside bets may vary between $25.00 and $1000.00 and depends on the casino. At some places this limit may be set in the following manner – ”Maximum inside bet: $150.00 any way to the number”. What does that mean? A player is allowed to make a straight-up bet for $150.00, a split bet for $300.00, and, say, a corner bet for $600.00, while all three bets may feature the same number. In case he/she placed all three bets and the particular number turned out to be profitable, the total payoff would be $15,150.00. This result is based on a simple calculation: ($150 x 35 + $300 x 17 + $600 x 8).

The maximum limit for outside bets may vary between $1000.00 and $10,000.00, while depending on the casino and the table minimum. This limit is valid for every single outside bet. Or, a player may place the maximum bet on a particular color, while also placing another maximum bet on the 3rd Dozen.

Maximum Payout
There has recently been a practice at smaller casinos to set maximum payouts on inside bets. On their table limit signs these payouts are usually stated as ”Maximum Inside Bet Limit”. The maximum payout represents an aggregate limit and, at some casinos, may be set to $1,750.00. Or, a player can bet up to an aggregate total of $50.00 on a number ($50.00 x 35 = $1,750.00). Any amount larger than that will not be paid.

Maximum payouts are usually a matter of interest to high rollers (players making huge bets).
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