robert.loo
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April 1st, 2020 at 6:01:29 PM permalink
I just learned that in Australia there is a tie bet available on their tiles table! As a seasoned player Iím very curious about the house advantage on this bet and would love to know the math behind it. The tie bet apparently pays even money with no commission taken and will pay you 25 to 1 if the low hand is at least a Wong and 20 to 1 if the low hand is a gong. On the outside the bet looks pretty amazing since ties are extremely common so I was just wondering if the bet is something that should be made all the time.
charliepatrick
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April 1st, 2020 at 6:46:47 PM permalink
Roughly you tie about 40-42% (depending on how you play) and the chances of tying with such a good low hand is fairly small. So I worked out, based on a simple House Way and playing style it's about 86.59% (i.e. house edge over 13%).

Note that the Crown Melbourne doesn't even pay a bonus on Gongs (c.f. Table 8) which makes the House Edge 15.57% (ouch!)

i.e. Avoid.
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April 1st, 2020 at 7:47:11 PM permalink
Quote: robert.loo

I just learned that in Australia there is a tie bet available on their tiles table! As a seasoned player Iím very curious about the house advantage on this bet and would love to know the math behind it. The tie bet apparently pays even money with no commission taken and will pay you 25 to 1 if the low hand is at least a Wong and 20 to 1 if the low hand is a gong. On the outside the bet looks pretty amazing since ties are extremely common so I was just wondering if the bet is something that should be made all the time.



Are you allowed to set your hand anyway you want? Or must you said at the official house way? If you are allowed to set it anyway you want, you can definitely increase the amount of times you will have a tie
robert.loo
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April 2nd, 2020 at 12:52:53 AM permalink
Apparently you can set your hand however you like.
robert.loo
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April 2nd, 2020 at 12:57:30 AM permalink
Wait is that really the house edge? regular tie pays 1 to 1 , tie with a wong or higher in the low pays 25 to 1 and 20 to 1 with a gong? yikes, I didn't think it would be that bad since in some cases you can set your hand where a tie is more probable.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 3:19:40 AM permalink
Quote: robert.loo

Apparently you can set your hand however you like.

Assuming equal bets are allowed, that gives you roughly 4% back, thus the Tie Bet costs you about 10.24%. If you didn't have to make a base bet, then you can make plays purely for Tie purposes, the House Edge is about 3.35%. This assumes the 25/20/1 Bonus you mentioned.

In summary I get it that you can't overcome the House Edge with smart play and if the House only allows equal bets you need to learn a different "perfect" strategy to get to the figure above. It's not worth the bother.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 1:47:49 PM permalink
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Wait is that really the house edge? regular tie pays 1 to 1 , tie with a wong or higher in the low pays 25 to 1 and 20 to 1 with a gong? yikes, I didn't think it would be that bad since in some cases you can set your hand where a tie is more probable.





Itís 25-1 on a Gong or higher on the low. Minor correction but means a lower house edge.

And yes, can set however you like.

Only ever seen this bet in Crown Melbourne though.


EDIT: You CAN make this as a stand-alone bet. No need to play the normal bet.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 1:51:44 PM permalink
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Note that the Crown Melbourne doesn't even pay a bonus on Gongs (c.f. Table 8) which makes the House Edge 15.57% (ouch!)

i.e. Avoid.




Unless the rules have changed in the last 8 weeks this is not correct. They definitely pay 25-1 on the tie if you have a gong or higher on the low hand.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 3:28:31 PM permalink
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Unless the rules have changed in the last 8 weeks this is not correct. They definitely pay 25-1 on the tie if you have a gong or higher on the low hand.

I can see the rules now say that, so I'm not sure what I was looking at a few days ago which suggested otherwise except I did see the same rule #8 (p26) so wasn't seeing things!

Using the rules that Gongs+ pay 25/1 the House Edge is about 0.65% less, about 2.70% if you just play the tie bet (but as I said you need to play differently - e.g. 6-6 6-5 4-4 4-4 you would not split the 8s).
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April 2nd, 2020 at 3:28:32 PM permalink
Quote: Aussie

Unless the rules have changed in the last 8 weeks this is not correct. They definitely pay 25-1 on the tie if you have a gong or higher on the low hand.

I can see the rules now say that, so I'm not sure what I was looking at a few days ago which suggested otherwise except I did see the same rule #8 (p26) so wasn't seeing things!

Using the rules that Gongs+ pay 25/1 the House Edge is about 0.65% less, about 2.70% if you just play the tie bet (but as I said you need to play differently - e.g. 6-6 6-5 4-4 4-4 you would not split the 8s).

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