Gambling with VPN
I'm planning on spending some time in Turkey, where gambling is highly regulated. I've made a research and came to a conclusion, that the only secure way to access online gambling sites is by using VPN (virtual private network). In more detail, you can route your internet connection through a server in your country, or a country with more permissive laws (such as US). This means that you can then access online websites without being blocked because of your location.
The question is - have you ever used VPN for gambling online? Any recommendations regarding VPN provider?
The most recommended (according reddit + comparitech + proprivacy) are NordVPN and ExpressVPN. The first one is much more cheaper (with extra3y coupon ~2 bucks) and the other one ~8 bucks...
Will be waiting for your recommendations!
Using a VPN may very well may gain you access to the site, however, if they have specific rules about using VPN's I'm pretty sure that they can tell if you are using a VPN if they look into it. You dont want them free rolling you on a non payment AFTER THE FACT. Using a server would probably work, but I dont think that's 100% foolproof. There is also something about making sure you clear your cookies and if they DL anything on your computer they can detect VPN programs and other things.Quote: wildgoeHey guys,
I'm planning on spending some time in Turkey, where gambling is highly regulated. I've made a research and came to a conclusion, that the only secure way to access online gambling sites is by using VPN (virtual private network). In more detail, you can route your internet connection through a server in your country, or a country with more permissive laws (such as US). This means that you can then access online websites without being blocked because of your location.
The question is - have you ever used VPN for gambling online? Any recommendations regarding VPN provider?
The most recommended (according reddit + comparitech + proprivacy) are NordVPN and ExpressVPN. The first one is much more cheaper (with extra3y coupon ~2 bucks) and the other one ~8 bucks...
Will be waiting for your recommendations!
I too am very interested in knowing an "easy" foolproof way to completely change your location without them knowing you are doing so. I have asked a few people who know about this sort of stuff and they didnt seem to have a good answers that would solve my puzzle without going though some complicated expensive procedures.
if there is anyone who knows a significant amount about this kinda stuff please PM me. Depending on the information and situation I am willing to pay a little if somome can help me solve some issues.
Quote: wildgoeHey guys,
I'm planning on spending some time in Turkey, where gambling is highly regulated. I've made a research and came to a conclusion, that the only secure way to access online gambling sites is by using VPN (virtual private network). In more detail, you can route your internet connection through a server in your country, or a country with more permissive laws (such as US). This means that you can then access online websites without being blocked because of your location.
The question is - have you ever used VPN for gambling online? Any recommendations regarding VPN provider?
The most recommended (according reddit + comparitech + proprivacy) are NordVPN and ExpressVPN. The first one is much more cheaper (with extra3y coupon ~2 bucks) and the other one ~8 bucks...
Will be waiting for your recommendations!
I don't know the laws in Turkey, but having spent time in countries that strictly prohibit gambling (and even block this site from their internet), I will say this is most likley highly illegal and not worth the risk.
Also, it is illegal stateside to pretend to be in a states boundries to play on a state sanctioned casino. For example if I wanted to play an NJ online casino (pretty much the only online casinos I trust), I have to be within NJ state lines on my phone or laptop, and if I use a VPN to fool the GIS system, that can lead to huge fines (not to mention automatic forfeiture of any winnings....)
In my opinion, not worth the risk, both from the Turkey law side and the stateside law side....
But, of you did want to proceed it would probably be best to do it via private messages, because there are a forum rules against encouraging the breaking of state and Federal laws, (or at least there were, with all of the changes, who knows now....)
There are some proxies that are immune to one or both of these.
There is a LOT more to this, I have written dozens of pages on the subject of proxies but for obvious reasons have not posted any of it publicly.
Quote: wildgoeHey guys,
I'm planning on spending some time in Turkey, where gambling is highly regulated. I've made a research and came to a conclusion, that the only secure way to access online gambling sites is by using VPN (virtual private network). In more detail, you can route your internet connection through a server in your country, or a country with more permissive laws (such as US). This means that you can then access online websites without being blocked because of your location.
The question is - have you ever used VPN for gambling online? Any recommendations regarding VPN provider?
The most recommended (according reddit + comparitech + proprivacy) are NordVPN and ExpressVPN. The first one is much more cheaper (with extra3y coupon ~2 bucks) and the other one ~8 bucks...
Will be waiting for your recommendations!
Ive recently been banned from online gaming in my jurisdiction, even though i have never spent a cent gaming. Trust me when I tell you, if a VPN is online, which it is, and it is a business, which it is, they only have a range of IP addresses, and it is not much extra work to quantify and "blacklist" IP addresses that belong to VPNs. Its trivial. Technology is too fast and can out think you or anyone. If you are caught using anything like VPN, and its in there rules like AxelWolf said, keep in mind they most likely will keep your money as well.
edit i should clarify I WAS NOT USING A VPN, but something called a VIRTUAL MACHINE. which is not actually stated in anyone's rules to be illegal to use while gambling online
Quote: heatmapIve recently been banned from online gaming in my jurisdiction, even though i have never spent a cent gaming. Trust me when I tell you, if a VPN is online, which it is, and it is a business, which it is, they only have a range of IP addresses, and it is not much extra work to quantify and "blacklist" IP addresses that belong to VPNs. Its trivial. Technology is too fast and can out think you or anyone. If you are caught using anything like VPN, and its in there rules like AxelWolf said, keep in mind they most likely will keep your money as well.
Exactly, do not do it.
Yes it can be done if you know what you are doing.
But, most likely you will be caught, and you will lose your winnings (and not be given your losses), and possibly fined, if a state finds out....
If Turkey finds out, it can likely be much worse...…
I quickly found this on wiki (so take it for what it is worth), but it sounds highly risky if they want to make an example of you:
"Online gambling in Turkey is currently prohibited, with the exception of the state-owned sports betting company, IDDAA, which is the only Turkish entity that is allowed to offer internet gambling services. The law that prohibits online gambling in Turkey was passed in 2007 and recently, Turkey has also been taking measures to prevent players from using foreign internet gambling websites as well. Despite the ban on gambling, many Turkish players continue to bet on online gambling sites and are recognized as leading gamblers. In 2013 Turkish government issued the law by which Turkey has become the first country in the world to target individual players instead of gambling operators. Sanctions for anyone caught in Turkey to access online gambling services is a penalty of between £ 100 and £ 500 (about $ 55-278). Casino operators dealing with the Turkish market and bankers serving them can also face the prison conditions at the same time."
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_in_Turkey (Online Gambling Section).
Quote: heatmapedit i should clarify I WAS NOT USING A VPN, but something called a VIRTUAL MACHINE. which is not actually stated in anyone's rules to be illegal to use while gambling online
Was it a robot? I believe you would not be the first person to do that.
nor the first person to get their account shut down for doing so.Quote: gordonm888Was it a robot? I believe you would not be the first person to do that.
Quote: gordonm888Was it a robot? I believe you would not be the first person to do that.
No it was not a bot a virtual machine essentially allows me to run windows on a Linux computer and the software that geo locates you only runs on windows so I did what I know best and it was a mistake apparently
-- Windows 10 sandbox
-- -- Browsers like Torbrowser with multiple relays
-- VPN is on host
-- Read Only mapped drive to any software I want to use while on the sandbox.
-- Powershell scripts to connect and automatically install apps from chocolatey.org that I want to use as tools
All in all, it takes about 6 minutes for me to turn on sandbox and have everything fully installed and by the time I finish, I'm behind 6-8 relays.
Edit: Forgot to add that this method above allows you to test any software and even test malware, if you wanted. Nothing touches your host machine. When you are done, you close the sandbox and anything you ever did during that session is "gone". Zero trace.
Quote: JoelDeze
-- Windows 10 sandbox
-- Read Only mapped drive to any software I want to use while on the sandbox.
You mean a virtual machine... GeoComply knew i was using one...
And what does the read only mapped drive provide as far as functionality to me? is that so geocomply can not see that im using a VM?
Quote: wildgoeHey guys,
I'm planning on spending some time in Turkey, where gambling is highly regulated. I've made a research and came to a conclusion, that the only secure way to access online gambling sites is by using VPN (virtual private network). In more detail, you can route your internet connection through a server in your country, or a country with more permissive laws (such as US). This means that you can then access online websites without being blocked because of your location.
The question is - have you ever used VPN for gambling online? Any recommendations regarding VPN provider?
The most recommended (according reddit + comparitech + proprivacy) are NordVPN and ExpressVPN. The first one is much more cheaper (with extra3y coupon ~2 bucks) and the other one ~8 bucks...
Will be waiting for your recommendations!
Personally, I use Surfshark I also believe that it's even cheaper than the ones you mentioned before. They have a bunch of promo codes so you have discounts often. I found this on reddit, you get 2 year subscription plus 1 month free: reddit1free
Also, makes no difference whether you are accessing a given site via an app or website, the technology exists and is being used by both app based and website based sites to detect your use of VPN and to pull your actual IP address.
Quote: MDawgThe virtual machines and multiple layers mentioned above do have something to do with a different type of cloaking, but have absolutely no bearing on detectability of your use of a VPN or ability to blow through VPN to your actual IP address. Complete waste of time in those regards.
Also, makes no difference whether you are accessing a given site via an app or website, the technology exists and is being used by both app based and website based sites to detect your use of VPN and to pull your actual IP address.
That’s untrue if you are behind multiple relays. You have many options - tor being one of them.
Also sandbox security involves hardware layering with separate kernels. VPN is on the host and not the sandbox although it is effective.
From whatismyip:
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That data path is never the same, because Tor uses up to 5,000 Tor relays to send your data request. Think of it as a huge network of "hidden" servers that will keep your online identity (meaning your IP address) and your location invisible. ... Tor is like a proxy on steroids.
Quote: MDawgThe reason you think that has to do with the sites you're dealing with. You're wasting your time when it comes to a site that has the technology to blow through your VPN, and in any case, a thousand relays or none, it has no bearing on detectability of whether you are using a VPN. If you can't grasp that layers will not affect detectability of use of VPN, then you are really wasting your time. You have to understand more about HOW a VPN is detected, in order to understand why layers would not affect this detectability.
Believe what you want to believe.
Unlike you, I'm not going to just post something based on theory. I have websites where we have tested this. The reason being that people pay me large sums of money to solve this issue for them, just a side business of mine related to some other businesses of mine.
You're mostly in the dark here, sorry.
Anyway, it really comes down to: does the site in question care if you are using a VPN, and do they have the software or have engaged the software from an outside company, to be able to detect VPN use, or even to blow through the VPN IP address. If yes, then it comes down to whether the proxy in question is undetectable, which very few are.
And for the record, I am talking about unregulated online casinos.
I'm always wondering how far they are willing to go and what kind of Technology they have in place to detect this sort of stuff. At many online casinos a simple VPN works just fine, of course, that's not to say if you hit something really big they won't start to look a little closer.
Assuming this is something that isn't super complicated or expensive to do, eventually I will figure it out when I decide to pursue it fully, I just haven't really taken the time to look into it more as of yet. I just remain cautious by avoiding places I know crack down on this sort of stuff, and by using what I know so far. I have yet to have a problem, but I'm sure I will run into one eventually.
Obviously, regulated online casinos would be a lot more tricky.
Quote: MDawgI don't believe. I know.
Unlike you, I'm not going to just post something based on theory. I have websites where we have tested this. The reason being that people pay me large sums of money to solve this issue for them, just a side business of mine related to some other businesses of mine.
A lawyer with a side business in technical engineering? Have fun with that. I’ve been in the IS Industry for 27 years.
You definitely do not know what you are talking about.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't understand all the technical stuff you guys are talking about, however, it shouldn't be too complicated to test. I'm sure I can find some online casino I'm willing to get banned from and lose a little money testing.
And for the record, I am talking about unregulated online casinos.
I'm always wondering how far they are willing to go and what kind of Technology they have in place to detect this sort of stuff. At many online casinos a simple VPN works just fine, of course, that's not to say if you hit something really big they won't start to look a little closer.
Assuming this is something that isn't super complicated or expensive to do, eventually I will figure it out when I decide to pursue it fully, I just haven't really taken the time to look into it more as of yet. I just remain cautious by avoiding places I know crack down on this sort of stuff, and by using what I know so far. I have yet to have a problem, but I'm sure I will run into one eventually.
Obviously, regulated online casinos would be a lot more tricky.
I use VPN > Sandbox > Masking Proxy > Relay > Tor Browser (3 more relays) to connect to online poker sites that are US prohibited. The same sites that also block VPN services. I have been doing this for awhile now.
I do not use those services for general browsing like here. I mostly mobile connect here.
Quote: JoelDezeI use VPN > Sandbox > Masking Proxy > Relay > Tor Browser (3 more relays) to connect to online poker sites that are US prohibited. The same sites that also block VPN services. I have been doing this for awhile now.
I do not use those services for general browsing like here. I mostly mobile connect here.
I mean your bank account is most likely in America (guessing) and you transfer from that bank which is American what about that for sure link between you and the transfers. Am I wrong? How is that not proof you are doing something against their “rules”
Can you simplify it for me? When the casino or poker site looks at your account, meaning your connection VPN and all that type of stuff. What is it that they now see using your Technique?Quote: JoelDezeI use VPN > Sandbox > Masking Proxy > Relay > Tor Browser (3 more relays) to connect to online poker sites that are US prohibited. The same sites that also block VPN services. I have been doing this for awhile now.
I do not use those services for general browsing like here. I mostly mobile connect here.
It's from my understanding that if when they look they see that somebody is using some obscure server or something strange they will automatically assume you're using some type of VPN, masking service or server. They might not know exactly what's going on but that won't keep them from shutting off your account if they suspect it. They want to see something that looks normal like some Joe Blow using Cox Communication, Sprint, AT&T coming from a known location.
Now let's take it one step further. Let's assume somebody has multiple laptops or devices they can use. Let's assume they've cleared out all the cookies.
Let's say they have a rule and it's 1 account per household but now let's say I want to use my brother's account, my sister's account, and my wife's account. Is that something one can do from their home without the casino noticing it's all probably the same person? Obviously I'm not talking about poker, I'm talking about just regular online casino gambling.
Quote: AxelWolfCan you simplify it for me? When the casino or poker site looks at your account, meaning your connection VPN and all that type of stuff. What is it that they now see using your Technique?
It's from my understanding that if when they look they see that somebody is using some obscure server or something strange they will automatically assume you're using some type of VPN, masking service or server. They might not know exactly what's going on but that won't keep them from shutting off your account if they suspect it. They want to see something that looks normal like some Joe Blow using Cox Communication, Sprint, AT&T coming from a known location.
Now let's take it one step further. Let's assume somebody has multiple laptops or devices they can use. Let's assume they've cleared out all the cookies.
Let's say they have a rule and it's 1 account per household but now let's say I want to use my brother's account, my sister's account, and my wife's account. Is that something one can do from their home without the casino noticing it's all probably the same person? Obviously I'm not talking about poker, I'm talking about just regular online casino gambling.
I can absolutely answer that cookies have nothing to do with it although if I were banked like casinos I would have it as a backup. But here is the thing. An IP address is NORMALLY dynamic as in it changes frequently so your up address from your ISP changes every now and again but VPNs are a business with a STATIC mailing address and they have bought a RANGE of IP addresses. Now anyone can make a list of which business owns which range of ip addresses which are static and don’t change, and you run a casino, and someone logs on with one of the ip addresses in the range you can know they are on vpn.
Quote: AxelWolfCan you simplify it for me? When the casino or poker site looks at your account, meaning your connection VPN and all that type of stuff. What is it that they now see using your Technique?
It's from my understanding that if when they look they see that somebody is using some obscure server or something strange they will automatically assume you're using some type of VPN, masking service or server. They might not know exactly what's going on but that won't keep them from shutting off your account if they suspect it. They want to see something that looks normal like some Joe Blow using Cox Communication, Sprint, AT&T coming from a known location.
Now let's take it one step further. Let's assume somebody has multiple laptops or devices they can use. Let's assume they've cleared out all the cookies.
Let's say they have a rule and it's 1 account per household but now let's say I want to use my brother's account, my sister's account, and my wife's account. Is that something one can do from their home without the casino noticing it's all probably the same person? Obviously I'm not talking about poker, I'm talking about just regular online casino gambling.
You have to mask the vpn services with a proxy that isn’t a part of known vpn service ports. That’s what they are looking for. If you don’t look like you are originating from a vpn service port, all is well.
Quote: JoelDezeYou have to mask the vpn services with a proxy that isn’t a part of known vpn service ports. That’s what they are looking for. If you don’t look like you are originating from a vpn service port, all is well.
How do you make sure the VM is not sensing identifying information (somehow the casino knew I was using a VM)?
Would using a program like that be a viable option for you?
One negative of this method is that It can sometimes be a bit slow ( it is still a million x faster than TOR, but that isn't saying much, since TOR is slower than a snail on Sodium Pentothal).
Update: Just read some of the other posts in this thread, and people seem to be able to use TOR for playing online, they must have a lot better internet than me (internet in AU sucks compared to a lot of other places)
I have a saying. Everything's all good, UNTIL IT ISN'T.Quote: mortey198hey there, I also had this issue in the past, but I've decided to try it out...I'm using Nordvpn (succesfully) for almost a year so far.
Your system may be good I don't know enough about it yet and appreciate any good suggestions people add.
I've been using proxies and VPN's successfully at times at various online casinos for years without a problem but then suddenly there's a problem and they figure it out you're using one.
Perhaps there's confusion here.Quote: heatmapI can absolutely answer that cookies have nothing to do with it
Here are some instructions from an actual well known VPN proxy service.
3. Clear your cache and cookies or use incognito/private browsing in order to prevent other websites from reading your previous website visits and thus your original location, here is a detailed how-to: Browser cache, location services and incognito mode.
So I've got a Toronto VPN. What gambling can I do?
Alll the same places you can without using a VPN.Quote: ChumpChangeI
So I've got a Toronto VPN. What gambling can I do?
Quote: AxelWolfPerhaps there's confusion here.
Here are some instructions from an actual well known VPN proxy service.
3. Clear your cache and cookies or use incognito/private browsing in order to prevent other websites from reading your previous website visits and thus your original location, here is a detailed how-to: Browser cache, location services and incognito mode.
... okay i agree because i know google has a shared advertsiment cookie that other websites can read and i neglected to consider that one good point
Quote: jason123Personally, I use Surfshark I also believe that it's even cheaper than the ones you mentioned before. They have a bunch of promo codes so you have discounts often. I found this on reddit, you get 2 year subscription plus 1 month free: reddit1free
Yes Surfshark cheaper then other's and here is some more VPNs which also provide their service is in cheap price which you can afford easily.
