Joelesely
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:45:59 PM permalink
I've noticed some online casinos that have Jack's or better with over 100% return calculated using wizzard of ozz calculator. the question is I'm struggling to keep up with optimal strategy because of this. I tried using the strategy analyzer but failed to fully comprehend the chart! In general for Jack's or better I use a personal trainer app that is verified for using optimal strategy on 9/6 Jack's or better 99.54% return. And for some touch ups I can use the wizzard off odds hands calculator and look up some exceptional hands. But when playing Jack's or better online with over 100% payout it's very difficult to grasp the chart since there is no personal trainer with adjusted payouts online. So I'd like advice how to go about this. I'll now list 2 pay tables that I'm having trouble with. JACKS or better table #1 coins based on 1. Pair 1x. 2 pair 2x. 3 of kind 3x. Straight 4x. Flush 10x. Full house 20x. Four of kind 100x. Straight flush 300x. Royal flush 1700x. Jack's or better table #2 based on 1 coin. Pair 1x. 2 pair 2x. 3 of kind 3x. Straight 4x. Flush 6x. Full house 9x. Four of kind 25x. Straight flush 50x. Royal flush 20,000x.
AxelWolf
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March 20th, 2019 at 3:23:22 PM permalink
Quote: Joelesely

I've noticed some online casinos that have Jack's or better with over 100% return calculated using wizzard of ozz calculator. the question is I'm struggling to keep up with optimal strategy because of this. I tried using the strategy analyzer but failed to fully comprehend the chart! In general for Jack's or better I use a personal trainer app that is verified for using optimal strategy on 9/6 Jack's or better 99.54% return. And for some touch ups I can use the wizzard off odds hands calculator and look up some exceptional hands. But when playing Jack's or better online with over 100% payout it's very difficult to grasp the chart since there is no personal trainer with adjusted payouts online. So I'd like advice how to go about this. I'll now list 2 pay tables that I'm having trouble with. JACKS or better table #1 coins based on 1. Pair 1x. 2 pair 2x. 3 of kind 3x. Straight 4x. Flush 10x. Full house 20x. Four of kind 100x. Straight flush 300x. Royal flush 1700x. Jack's or better table #2 based on 1 coin. Pair 1x. 2 pair 2x. 3 of kind 3x. Straight 4x. Flush 6x. Full house 9x. Four of kind 25x. Straight flush 50x. Royal flush 20,000x.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something about the 1st payable.... something isn't right. I'm not even going to run it, but I can tell you this, the game would be near 200%, even the worst player would beat it silly(just play as fast as you can and don't worry about a strategy). So there is no way it can't be gaffed. Send me a link Via PM if you want. I will check it out. Either I'm misunderstanding, you missed something, or this place is rouge as hell.

2nd pay table is more in line, however, I think even average person would have an advantage on that as well. We are talking somewhere near a 10% advantage. People probably lose 3.5% on average playing a regular 9/6.

I guess it could be possible a new casino messed up somehow or a casino changed their software and made a mistake. There is just no way this could be legit and be around for longer than a week with any real play.

After thought* Is this even for real money? If not, it would have been nice for you to have included that information.
Last edited by: AxelWolf on Mar 20, 2019
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Joelesely
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March 20th, 2019 at 4:51:23 PM permalink
No both payables aren't for real money! They are avail in 2 online virtual casinos Jack's or better. And ty for your response.
Joelesely
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March 20th, 2019 at 4:54:56 PM permalink
Paytable number 1 is avail at the app store search for video poker live by developer name SIMPLEGAME. Paytable #2 is avail on the app store at double u casino both are under Jack's or better and aren't for real money play, nevertheless I play for entertainment purposes and practice purposes only.
billryan
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March 20th, 2019 at 7:39:50 PM permalink
Practicing optimal strategy for a pay table that doesn't exist in the real world makes less sense than working on a game you might actually play. I'm sure it's more fun to play a game that pays 200% than one that pays 99%, but is it really practicing?
Joelesely
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March 20th, 2019 at 7:43:46 PM permalink
I've already practiced optimal strategy for the standard 99.54% Jack's or better as mentioned in my original post. Thanks for your response but my question goes beyond what it reads meaning it's difficult for me to play any video machine that isn't the same payable as the 99.54% mentioned or the one that you can get training for. And I hear you but the thing is who says when you enter a casino the jackpot progressive on a video machine won't be high enough to cause optimal strategy to change? Example, did you know if you're In Las Vegas per day and the progressive hits a certain amount that you would always hold 3 to a royal vs aa-jj what amount that is wasn't explained to me for example but the wizzard of odds on YouTube mentions it.my point is that even in actual casinos of the progressive is very high optimal strategy may change so how do you know the best play then ? Not so smart?
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Joelesely
March 20th, 2019 at 7:44:34 PM permalink
1. They want to keep you there for the ads, so the paytables are not realistic.

2. The machines are almost certainly gaffed. You'll lose when they want you to buy virtual coins, no matter what the paytable says.

3. Doubtful anyone cares about the math if they're not real games. Those for entertainment only can offer whatever they want, since they'll never have to pay you.

Have fun with it. Axel's estimates seem pretty close. Perhaps that's good enough for your purposes?
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
Joelesely
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March 20th, 2019 at 7:45:55 PM permalink
Aslo to clarify I'm looking for a personal trainer app ideally that you can adjust any paytable and it tells you best strategy. Or someone can explain how the wizzard off odds chart works or give me an idea or how to calculate different payables ect...
billryan
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March 20th, 2019 at 7:52:42 PM permalink
I know how to recognize good pay tables but don't know how to calculate them. I imagine there would be interest in an explanation.
Joelesely
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March 20th, 2019 at 7:53:48 PM permalink
Thanks for your answer. Nevertheless what happens if you're not online but in actual casino in vegas and there is a jackpot and it is very high do you know the correct strategy then? And how high is enough for your strategy to change.

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