Nathan
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February 3rd, 2019 at 8:38:52 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

Youíre right. This one member years ago pretended to be a guy that fell for a female member who was a spammer. He was so embarrassed. Then this guy made plans to meet up with another member and surprise him in real life that he was in face a she.

No reason not to believe someone who claims they had a 1/5,000,0000,000 occurrence happen to them twice in a month.



Oh crap! O.O I kind of walked right into that one inadvertently. ;) Oh well that gives more credence to what I said about stranger things happening
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FinsRule
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February 3rd, 2019 at 8:39:26 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Come on guys, let's give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm giving it to him. Stranger things have happened than what he said in his OP. :)



Name one.
Nathan
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February 3rd, 2019 at 8:40:32 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Name one.



Poker Grinder named a BIG one. ;) A really Whopper one. ;)
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
billryan
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February 3rd, 2019 at 8:40:37 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

Youíre right. This one member years ago pretended to be a guy that fell for a female member who was a spammer. He was so embarrassed. Then this guy made plans to meet up with another member and surprise him in real life that he was in face a she.

No reason not to believe someone who claims they had a 1/5,000,0000,000 occurrence happen to them twice in a month.




So you are saying there is a chance this isn't BS?
darkoz
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Nathan
February 3rd, 2019 at 8:51:35 AM permalink
Im not attacking the math here but why is everyone on this forun so quick to label a person a liar?

Having been called out in my AP Nightmare thread as a liar multiple times when I know I was telling the truth I can attest to how frustrating it is

Now lets all agree that:

A) there is a possibility this person is telling the truth

And B) its mathematically impossible in an UNRIGGED deck

The only way both can be true above is if the casino cheated.

Therefore to consider this new member an out and out liar this forum must adhere to the belief that it is impossible for a casino to cheat!

So what are the statistical odds on that one? (Btw the OP seems to be intent on proving the casino cheated hence asking for the math help. Not to be called a liar. I see no reason anyone would want the latter)

Here are the real questions now that the math has been done?

Was this casino in the USA and/or in a highly regulated jurisdiction? Landbased or on a boat?

How high were your hands? You already stated it was high limits. If your limits were high thst might make more believable a casino would rig a deck. If it is in a small casino in a small country or on a boat it makes it even more believable
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Nathan
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February 3rd, 2019 at 9:01:03 AM permalink
Welcome back, Dark Oz! :D We missed you dearly! :D
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
SOOPOO
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February 3rd, 2019 at 9:05:27 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Im not attacking the math here but why is everyone on this forun so quick to label a person a liar?



Welllll..... he said it happened TWICE!!!! So the 500 billion to one odds happened twice!!!!!! I am pretty sure he said it was in a high limit room, so a B and M casino.

Is it possible I am defaming a guy who is absolutely telling the truth? Yes, there is a one in a gazillion chance it did happen.

I believe a casino can cheat, but I don't think any casino would cheat to win 40 hands in a row! Do you?

(If this is an online casino and I misinterpreted the OP's post, then I apologize.)
FinsRule
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February 3rd, 2019 at 9:08:44 AM permalink
Darkoz, I agree.

The only way itís possible is if the casino cheated. The op didnít really say that was happening. He said he was unlucky.

If he thought they were cheating, why go back and have it happen again???

Thatíd be fun to rig a deck to have the player lose every hand. If they made one strategy mistake, it would ruin everything.

So youíd need to make the hands all easy decisions but nothing too suspicious.
darkoz
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February 3rd, 2019 at 9:23:22 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Darkoz, I agree.

The only way itís possible is if the casino cheated. The op didnít really say that was happening. He said he was unlucky.

If he thought they were cheating, why go back and have it happen again???

Thatíd be fun to rig a deck to have the player lose every hand. If they made one strategy mistake, it would ruin everything.

So youíd need to make the hands all easy decisions but nothing too suspicious.



While he clearly thought the first time suspicious he does not have the math skills to do the exact odds (neither do I BTW) so he may have chalked it up to a once in a lifetime occurrence

He is asking how its possible to have happened a second time. So the suspicion you ask about is being raised

As for returning to that same casino? Again we need to know where this happened

In Vegas? Astronomically against return to the same casino when he has a hundred other choices

Is it in spodunk idaho and the next casino over is 100 miles away (and where a high roller might make them queasy enough or greedy enough to cheat) and you might see why he would still return

For that matter is it in an Indian casino on US soil should be an question raised. Where such suspicions of cheating will be answered in tribal court
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7craps
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February 3rd, 2019 at 9:25:38 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

The op didnít really say that was happening. He said he was unlucky.

what else did the OP say?
Quote: DoctorPhil

"I am a super logical person, I know every hand and card is independent or the next, etc, etc.

there is one wrong assumption or wrong fact.

Quote: DoctorPhil

If there were a black cloud phenomenon, that would be me.
I'm consistently a flat better, maybe add a few chips if winning.
I never win.

confirmation bias
Quote: DoctorPhil

I like it when the wizard says things like you might win in the short term but of course we all lose in the long-term, I'm a perfect example of the perfect statistic. I consistently lose all the time.

sure. losses ALL the time. perfect example. sure

Quote: DoctorPhil

Now that I'm done whining, here is the question. Twice in the past two months, I have begun a shoe in high limits, six-deck shoe, no other players the table, playing one hand, stand on soft 17 and surrender available, and I have proceeded to lose every single hand in the shoe."

come on Doc
how many hands played in each shoe U estimate?
any double down and split hands you remember?
too much to drink while playing?

How many times per shoe did you surrender?
surrender can be a good play.

some have it so easy
lose all the time
and still plays??
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)

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