I am shocked at how many dealers are degenerate gamblers
Some of the dealers cash out their tips during break and play slot machines or live keno. They also complain that they don't have enough money to pay the rent! Duh! What is wrong with you people? We all deal cards to people who are throwing away their money on stupid moves, or betting way too much, using superstition instead of basic strategy, etc., and you're dumb enough to throw away your tips on the slots or live keno?
The casino just loves employees like this, because it reduces their labor costs. Another thing employees do (not just dealers) is sit at the bar after their shift is over and drink.. A LOT. Whether they choose to pay for the drinks or gamble to get comped drinks, all they're doing is handing back a portion of their paycheck to the casino.
I would have thought that casino employees, especially dealers, would be the smartest ones in the building, given that we see customers throw away their money day in and day out. Instead, they are some of the dumbest patrons the casino has!
There are two times I play slots:
1) using free play which I earn playing video poker at 99% return executed with perfect strategy
2) vulturing leftover credits... I prefer not to just hit cash out and visit the kiosk to get pocket change, so I'll put in a dollar bill and do one spin and then hit cash out (still a player's advantage). Today was an awesome day on that one; 40 cent min bet machine had 29 cents in it, so I put in a dollar, bet 40 cents, and won $16.00!
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2) vulturing leftover credits... I prefer not to just hit cash out and visit the kiosk to get pocket change, so I'll put in a dollar bill and do one spin and then hit cash out (still a player's advantage). Today was an awesome day on that one; 40 cent min bet machine had 29 cents in it, so I put in a dollar, bet 40 cents, and won $16.00!
my imagination runs wild and wants to believe there is someone out there who has made millions on this somehow
Maybe not well educated but I’m still impressed by Craps dealers whenever I play which is why I tend to tip them more than others. I’m impressed by how quickly they can payout all the different bet ratios so quickly to various players.Quote: billryanDealers work in crappy work conditions, make minimal pay and are generally not well educated. Thinking they are the sharpest knives in the drawer might be overestimating your compadres.
Drug dealers are told when they start in the business, "Don't get high on your own supply." One would think dealers would be taught similarly. As was pointed out upthread, while a dealer who gets high is bad for business in many ways, a broke dealer is good for business. Broke dealers who drop most of their paycheck before they hit the door and are strung out on payday loans keep showing up for work.
Unfortunately, since Amendments 3 & 13 passed here last week, I'm not so sure about FL expanding gaming in the near future.Quote: FinsRuleThe way FL is expanding gaming, it might be a good industry to get into.
Quote: FinsRuleTasha, why don’t you work for a casino? I heard Walgreens is cutting benefits back. The way FL is expanding gaming, it might be a good industry to get into.
My real name is not Tasha. It was only Tasha on another gambling website. I decided on Tasha as a nickname for Natasha. Get it? Natasha/Nathan? ;)
Quote: FinsRuleTasha, why don’t you work for a casino? I heard Walgreens is cutting benefits back. The way FL is expanding gaming, it might be a good industry to get into.
My real name is not Tasha. It was only Tasha on another gambling website. I decided on Tasha as a nickname for Natasha. Get it? Natasha/Nathan? ;)
Let me see if I can help.Quote: NathanMy real name is not Tasha. It was only Tasha on another gambling website. I decided on Tasha as a nickname for Natasha. Get it? Natasha/Nathan? ;)
KAREN, why don’t you work for a casino? I heard Walgreens is cutting benefits back. The way FL is expanding gaming, it might be a good industry to get into.
p.s. You can correct someone and still answer the question in the same post, you should try it.
That would require...Quote: AxelWolfLet me see if I can help.
KAREN, why don’t you work for a casino? I heard Walgreens is cutting benefits back. The way FL is expanding gaming, it might be a good industry to get into.
p.s. You can correct someone and still answer the question in the same post, you should try it.
1)Interest in reading the question.
2)Comprehension of the question.
3)Interest in replying to the question.
Karen/Nathan/Tasha/Alex/Michelle has far greater concerns. One day I might compile stats on the 'ask to answer ratio' for Karen (and another member)
Ǝ;o)
Quote: NathanMy real name is not Tasha. It was only Tasha on another gambling website. I decided on Tasha as a nickname for Natasha. Get it? Natasha/Nathan? ;)
Karen? I’m sorry. I keep forgetting.
It’s funny. I thought it was Karen, but then someone called you Tasha so I figured I must be wrong.
Sorry!
Quote: JoemanUnfortunately, since Amendments 3 & 13 passed here last week, I'm not so sure about FL expanding gaming in the near future.
I guess my take on it was different. I thought eliminating greyhound racing was going to let places focus more on casino gaming? And I’m sure sports betting is on the way eventually, no?
Quote: AxelWolfLet me see if I can help.
KAREN, why don’t you work for a casino? I heard Walgreens is cutting benefits back.
My sister pulls in around $140k/yr working at a Walgreens store.
I’m sure Karen could advance to that level :)
1. b**** about not getting enough tips while on break.
2. Beg floor people for EO.
3. Go straight to the bar (and machines) after clocking out.
Obviously the degenerate-level highly varied. There are also plenty of dealers who just don’t gamble at all. “Gamble? Why the hell would I gamble? I deal everyday. Oh, well I guess I did buy in once for $20 at a BJ table like 12 years ago. Lost it in 10 minutes and haven’t played since.”
I haven't been following it all that closely, but the local poker room (which is owned and operated by the local greyhound track) has a radio show that I'll occasionally listen to on my drive home. They were firmly against Amendment 3 (which gave control of gaming in the state from the legislature to a system where popular vote decides gaming issues) and 13 (banning greyhound racing).Quote: FinsRuleI guess my take on it was different. I thought eliminating greyhound racing was going to let places focus more on casino gaming? And I’m sure sports betting is on the way eventually, no?
Their feeling was that the passing of Amendment 3 would mean that sports betting would not be coming to FL. Further, they are worried that Amendment 3 will curtail their current gaming offerings (house banked games). Also, Amendment 3 essentially guarantees that the Seminoles will have monopoly control over all casino gaming in the state for the foreseeable future.
Don't know if she is following this thread, but I think BBB may be the one here who knows most about it.
My sister worked outside a bar in the local red light district. She earned £150.50 in just one night.Quote: gamerfreakMy sister pulls in around $140k/yr working at a Walgreens store.
I’m sure Karen could advance to that level :)
I asked "Who gave you 50 pence?"
She replied "They all did"
$:o)
Quote: onenickelmiracleCasinos that don't allow employees to gamble probably do so because the employees will see how bad it is there firsthand.
LMAO! :D But seriously, I think the Casinos that don't allow Casino Employees and Management to gamble themselves in the same Casino that they work in do so because of a conflict of interests.
Casino interest=taking money from the pockets of players. No conflict of interest there.Quote: NathanLMAO! :D But seriously, I think the Casinos that don't allow Casino Employees and Management to gamble themselves in the same Casino that they work in do so because of a conflict of interests.
I forgot sometimes they're not allowed because of the licenses they hold, but I'm sure the casinos they work in generally suck and are totally predatory anyway.Quote: NathanLMAO! :D But seriously, I think the Casinos that don't allow Casino Employees and Management to gamble themselves in the same Casino that they work in do so because of a conflict of interests.
Quote: FleaStiffSo how does a dealer get access to the toke box during a shift and who on earth even offers live keno anymore?
We don't pool tips.
Lots of casinos have live keno.
Quote: NathanLMAO! :D But seriously, I think the Casinos that don't allow Casino Employees and Management to gamble themselves in the same Casino that they work in do so because of a conflict of interests.
No conflict. It's a harmony of interests.
Quote: NathanLMAO! :D But seriously, I think the Casinos that don't allow Casino Employees and Management to gamble themselves in the same Casino that they work in do so because of a conflict of interests.
Where I work, dealers are not allowed to play table games, slot techs are not allowed to play slots, and management is not allowed to play anything. It makes perfect sense to me.
Quote: KevinAAWhere I work, dealers are not allowed to play table games, slot techs are not allowed to play slots, and management is not allowed to play anything. It makes perfect sense to me.
The guess the casino doesn't want its employees to tell its customers that gambling is bad for them. But who cares when a Blackjack dealer says that slot games are bad?
Quote: BlackjackLoverThe guess the casino doesn't want its employees to tell its customers that gambling is bad for them. But who cares when a Blackjack dealer says that slot games are bad?
Suppose you are on a hot streak and a guy you recognize as a dealer joins the table. The dealer ends up getting BJ or 21 the next nine hands in a row.
Coincidence? Without a doubt but why allow even a whisper of cheating to happen. I think dealing to ones friends and coworkers might put a little pressure on a dealer to make moves he shouldn't.
Quote: billryanSuppose you are on a hot streak and a guy you recognize as a dealer joins the table. The dealer ends up getting BJ or 21 the next nine hands in a row.
Coincidence? Without a doubt but why allow even a whisper of cheating to happen. I think dealing to ones friends and coworkers might put a little pressure on a dealer to make moves he shouldn't.
I see no difference than having a non-dealer joins the table and gets a BJ or 21 the next nine hands in a row. Also, on the other side of the coin, dealing to one's friends/coworkers can also put a pressure on the dealer to be extra careful not to make mistakes.
Quote: NathanLMAO! :D But seriously, I think the Casinos that don't allow Casino Employees and Management to gamble themselves in the same Casino that they work in do so because of a conflict of interests.
Some of the casinos that I have worked with do not let employees play at their work location because of public perception. If a patron sees an employee win a jackpot it tends to be a negative for the patron. They may assume the game is crooked or that employees have inside knowledge of what to play.
When I worked for the outside banking company in California card rooms, we were prohibited from playing in all such card rooms. We could go to Indian casinos or out of state casinos. The explanation was that it could open the door for some kind of cheating (cheating is very common in those casinos) and also, they didn't want people they trusted with large sums of money being broke or in debt to juice ladies.
Quote: billryanDealers work in crappy work conditions, make minimal pay and are generally not well educated. Thinking they are the sharpest knives in the drawer might be overestimating your compadres.
I'd bet that dealers on the whole are of above average intelligence, especially in Vegas.
However, I too was surprised by how many are degenerates once I became involved with gambling.
Another reason might be that they just get sucked into casino culture. You're just surrounded by people who gamble and it seems like a normal thing to do. All of the conversation is about gambling. Loosing a couple hundred bucks starts to seem like no big deal. Especially as one dynamic between all of the degen customers is that they constantly reassure each other that they are behaving normally, and are not doing something destructive.
Another interesting case is people who work in sports books. Especially the men. They wind up mirroring the customers in what they say and I think a lot of them bet too.
Seems like the smart thing to do (and I guess a few probably do) would be to pay attention to the bets that get declined and then just copy those when you can. But the majority of them sound like the people in the teaser thread.
Though, in THEIR defense, when I worked in a casino, and when I play poker, I would also just mirror the recreational players simply to keep things moving along smoothly. What are you gonna do, debate them?
Quote: RigondeauxThat's a good explanation. I hadn't really thought about it, but I guess I had a tacit assumption that certain casinos kind of cared about their employees' welfare and/or did not want them to fall into desperate circumstances.
It is cute that you are still that naive.
Quote: RigondeauxThat's a good explanation. I hadn't really thought about it, but I guess I had a tacit assumption that certain casinos kind of cared about their employees' welfare and/or did not want them to fall into desperate circumstances.
Would be nice if all casinos cared about customers' welfare and closed themselves.
Quote: DRichSome of the casinos that I have worked with do not let employees play at their work location because of public perception. If a patron sees an employee win a jackpot it tends to be a negative for the patron. They may assume the game is crooked or that employees have Cinside knowledge of what to play.
That's what trying to convey when I said,"Conflict of interest." I was thinking of Gamblers thinking the people who actually work there and are also gambling just might be cheating.
Quote: BlackjackLoverWould be nice if all casinos cared about customers' welfare and closed themselves.
It would suck for me personally, but probably be for the best.
Quote: OnceDearMy sister worked outside a bar in the local red light district. She earned £150.50 in just one night.
I asked "Who gave you 50 pence?"
She replied "They all did"
$:o)
Gosh, OD, your sister was only 25 pence last time I saw her.
Quote: BlackjackLoverI see no difference than having a non-dealer joins the table and gets a BJ or 21 the next nine hands in a row. Also, on the other side of the coin, dealing to one's friends/coworkers can also put a pressure on the dealer to be extra careful not to make mistakes.
I forgot about that restriction. We're not allowed to deal to friends and family (the situation hasn't happened to me).
Employees who are not dealers (or management) can play BJ but it's rare.
I was always curious what happens when an employee goes to another casino and ends up getting flyered back at the casino he works at. That would make for an awkward conversation.
Quote: SandybestdogI always was under the impression that no casino employees were ever allowed to gamble at a casino where they worked. The only sort of exception is I think in AC Ballys dealer’s are allowed to play at Harrahs and vice versa. In my conversations with dealers it seems they are either complete degerates or don’t gamble at all. Poker dealers are a different matter. I’ve met a couple that really thought they were special. One talked about how he could read all the tells in his sleep. Another was laughing with the players about how you need the fish to feed the good players. Yet somehow they don’t have the ability to make to $200-300 a day playing so they don’t have to deal.
I was always curious what happens when an employee goes to another casino and ends up getting flyered back at the casino he works at. That would make for an awkward conversation.
Poker dealers are mostly bad at poker. I think mostly because they have no patience. They work all day, they have some cash, they have a hour or two to try to double it. Many of them buy into ploppy logic and empathize with ploppies who think they are winners or who grind out $5/hr.
Some of them are totally indifferent to poker and gambling and deal the cards like one might stock a shelf. They DGAF if someone made a bluff or sucked out or whatever. It's just work.
Those who are interested in the games often say everything is clear to them when dealing, but they miss it when playing. I believe them. As a player, it's often easier to see the situation that's unfolding when you are out of the hand than when you are in the hand. Plus, when dealing, they are REQUIRED to be sober, pay attention to every action and every card, etc. As a player, it's hard to do that.
Even if they are pretty good, or are winning players (not common), a good dealing job is better than being an average grinder. They get benefits, have security and the game is much less likely to pass them by. Plus, whatever they make grinding on the side, they don't nec. have to report to the IRS or the wife. And they'll enjoy their time playing a lot more.
If you had a nice dealing job and made like $200 a week in cash playing for fun... could be a lot worse.
Quote: SandybestdogIn my conversations with dealers it seems they are either complete degerates or don’t gamble at all.
Bartenders are the same way with drinking. I met a guy on a cruise owned 6 bars but was in AA. He told me that if you own or work at a bar you either never touch the booze or you become a total drunk, there is no in-between. Henry Hill said a bookie who bets for himself is a guy owned by the sharks. So it is probably the same with almost any vice.
I didn't know the old *** was still punting.Quote: gordonm888Gosh, OD, your sister was only 25 pence last time I saw her.
She started charging by the inch. Sounds like you were robbed.
$:o)
*** Not a personal insult.
Quote: billryanAfter twenty plus years in the bar business, I know very few owners that are drunks, and maybe a half dozen incidents of bartenders getting drunk behind the stick.
Having had the opportunity to work with hundreds of bars over the last 12 years I agree with Bill. Not many of the owners are drunks. My experience is that many of the bartenders have drinking and gambling problems and sadly I see a lot of them having had too many drinks while on the clock.
Quote: DRichHaving had the opportunity to work with hundreds of bars over the last 12 years I agree with Bill. Not many of the owners are drunks. My experience is that many of the bartenders have drinking and gambling problems and sadly I see a lot of them having had too many drinks while on the clock.
That's unprofessional at best to get drunk while on the clock. At worst that's really uncouth and irresponsible.
Quote: billryanUnfortunately, drinking behind the bar is pretty common, and is actually expected in most places with customers encouraged to buy drinks for their servers. I was referring to being falling down drunk rather than being a bit buzzed.
There is kind of a difference between "being a drunk" and "being drunk." People that drink a lot probably don't appear drunk much. Alcoholics and drunks don't act like some tipsy college coed or dude. But getting loaded regular at work is a problem.
As to drinking on the job, I've seen shot girls let guys buy them a shot then dump it on the floor as they all take it. Reality show or not, John Taffer always stressed owners and workers were to never, ever take a drink at work as it never stops with one.
