Cheated by the Casino in Three Card Poker?
I bet $10 on the ante. I was dealt 10-9-8 offsuit (a straight), and put $10 dollars on the play bet. The dealer had J-3-2 offsuit (jack high).
The dealer then paid me $10 on my ante bet win. I asked her wasn't I supposed to get paid $20? (i.e. $10 on the ante bet, and $10 on the ante bonus) She said no, because she only had jack high, and didn't qualify.
I'm almost positive that the correct amount I should have been paid was $20 on the ante win and ante bonus straight payout; and also that the dealer doesn't have to qualify for the ante bonus to come into effect.
Can someone confirm this? I asked a table game manager on the way out and he said the same thing, that the dealer has to qualify for the ante bonus to payout. It would be absolutely insane if even the floor doesn't know the rules of the game!!!
P.S. this wasn't the only hand that this dealer goofed up. She also tried to not pay off my ante and play bet wins when I had a flush against her ace high, because I didn't bet the pair plus????
our side bets also count as part of the WHOLE bet.
so if the bet is 15 min. you can do 5 on the ante, 5 on a side bet and - what i thought was to be true - was also place 5 on the 777 side bet.
pit manager told me i had to bet 5 on the first side bet in order to bet 5 on the 777.
but i think he was wrong as players could choose to not to play the first side bet - in my case 21+3 extreme and kings bounty are all we have everywhere in the casino and freebet sprinkled around in random places.
Quote: Blacjac06I was playing three card poker tonight, and this situation came up. I just want to make sure I'm correct, and that the dealer was wrong.
I bet $10 on the ante. I was dealt 10-9-8 offsuit (a straight), and put $10 dollars on the play bet. The dealer had J-3-2 offsuit (jack high).
The dealer then paid me $10 on my ante bet win. I asked her wasn't I supposed to get paid $20? (i.e. $10 on the ante bet, and $10 on the ante bonus) She said no, because she only had jack high, and didn't qualify.
I'm almost positive that the correct amount I should have been paid was $20 on the ante win and ante bonus straight payout; and also that the dealer doesn't have to qualify for the ante bonus to come into effect.
Can someone confirm this? I asked a table game manager on the way out and he said the same thing, that the dealer has to qualify for the ante bonus to payout. It would be absolutely insane if even the floor doesn't know the rules of the game!!!
P.S. this wasn't the only hand that this dealer goofed up. She also tried to not pay off my ante and play bet wins when I had a flush against her ace high, because I didn't bet the pair plus????
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When the dealer did not qualify and you bet the Play bet, you were supposed to be paid $10 Ante, and the Play bet pushed. Because of the straight, you were supposed to be paid $10 Ante Bonus, whether the dealer qualified or not, and whether you won, pushed, or lost the hand.
The Pair Plus bet is a completely separate bet, with its own edge, and is supposed to be optional. Your flush should have paid 1:1 on both Ante and Play bets because the dealer qualified.
Quote: heatmapnot this exact situation but i play at sands in pa and i was explaining the side bets to someone.
our side bets also count as part of the WHOLE bet.
so if the bet is 15 min. you can do 5 on the ante, 5 on a side bet and - what i thought was to be true - was also place 5 on the 777 side bet.
pit manager told me i had to bet 5 on the first side bet in order to bet 5 on the 777.
but i think he was wrong as players could choose to not to play the first side bet - in my case 21+3 extreme and kings bounty are all we have everywhere in the casino and freebet sprinkled around in random places.
On side bets, all optional bets are independent, and just that, optional, when playing the main game. Nearly all games require you to bet the main game in order to play the side bet (s). A notable exception is that many casinos allow the 3CP pair plus bet to be bet by itself.
However, casinos have some discretion in their side bet play requirements, and it's become more and more common to find a bet only allowed if another side bet is also played. I saw this first about 6 years ago, when HarrahsLV started the million maker 6 card royal promotion on 3CP. In order to bet that, you were required to bet the Pairs Plus as well.
They can require what they want, subject to gaming jurisdiction. Some places only allow Top3 bet on 21+3 BJ side bet if you bet the 9:1 side bet as well, for example. Others allow either or both on each hand, as your feel like. It's up to them.
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When the dealer did not qualify and you bet the Play bet, you were supposed to be paid $10 Ante, and the Play bet pushed. Because of the straight, you were supposed to be paid $10 Ante Bonus, whether the dealer qualified or not, and whether you won, pushed, or lost the hand.
The Pair Plus bet is a completely separate bet, with its own edge, and is supposed to be optional. Your flush should have paid 1:1 on both Ante and Play bets because the dealer qualified.
Thank you. That's exactly what I thought. So I should have won $20 on that straight hand - the $10 ante win and the $10 even money ante bonus for the straight; and pushed on the play bet.
Again, the scary part is even the floor was wrong about this!!!!
It's like it completely blows the dealers' minds when you don't bet the pair plus. They start making all kinds of mistakes. It's horrible in my area, and I'm not sure what to do.
By the way, this was at the Eldorado Casino in Shreveport, Louisiana. Be forewarned.
You should NEVER have to play a side bet in order to be paid for the regular game, unless the casino decides that the side bet is mandatory.
Sounds like the people in that casino need some retraining.
I used to be a dealer and....what you say is 1000000% correct. SO MANY dealers, floor people, and pit bosses are.....I don't even know how to word it, other than complete idiots. I guess the best way to describe it is this -- many just make stuff up as they go along. They're kinda just in their own little world, completely oblivious. The situation you presented isn't even all that "bad" compared to some s*** I've seen and heard. It's good these casinos exist for these people, otherwise they'd be starving on the streets, since many aren't even capable of getting hired at a fast food joint, grocery store, etc.
Other explanations talking about the Pairplus are confusing the issue. The Pairplus has nothing to do with it.
Quote: DJTeddyBearIs this mentioned in the How to play brochure? Ask to see on and point it out.
He shouldn't have to resort to brochures and lawyerly arguments.
Casinos should train their dealers adequately and pit managers should not be know-nothing morons. This was a case of a casino defrauding a customer - "negligent fraud" just as "negligent homicide" is still homicide. Everyone should be denouncing this situation, DJ.
For whatever reason, the other players and the person being shorted $25 on a Straight 1:1 Ante Bonus believed this ignorant, obnoxious floor person and I kept telling the guy to speak up and ask for a Supervisor. To which the shorted player said "It's only $25 and they're probably right anyway, so why bother?"
I shook my head and said "Okay, have fun throwing away money that you earned and could've used for Gas or food!"
Quote: BedWetterBetterI made the mistake of blabbing out this information that the Ante Bonus pays out no matter what, only to be told by the floor person to "Mind your own business, we don't need YOU to tell us how to do our job!"
For whatever reason, the other players and the person being shorted $25 on a Straight 1:1 Ante Bonus believed this ignorant, obnoxious floor person and I kept telling the guy to speak up and ask for a Supervisor. To which the shorted player said "It's only $25 and they're probably right anyway, so why bother?"
I shook my head and said "Okay, have fun throwing away money that you earned and could've used for Gas or food!"
I have gotten that from floor people before. 1 time I was actually wrong and felt like a complete ass. The other time I was very right and they wouldn't go back. It was an in between bet that a person made and they didn't pay her out correctly. It should have been a 12-1 payout but they only paid it at 3-1 or something. It was the same thing, they didn't want to hear it from me and the lady didn't want to speak up.
Quote: gordonm888He shouldn't have to resort to brochures and lawyerly arguments.
Casinos should train their dealers adequately and pit managers should not be know-nothing morons. This was a case of a casino defrauding a customer - "negligent fraud" just as "negligent homicide" is still homicide. Everyone should be denouncing this situation, DJ.
Yeah, good luck with that.
You can either accept whatever they say and not be 86'ed, or you can complain to Gaming, have the right thing be done and quite possibly be 86'ed.
Quote: BedWetterBetterI made the mistake of blabbing out this information that the Ante Bonus pays out no matter what, only to be told by the floor person to "Mind your own business, we don't need YOU to tell us how to do our job!"
Do your job right and I won't have to tell you how to do it.
