Craps Mistakes

I have been playing craps nonstop for like the past 2 months. I am still a fairly new player. I have noticed that there are way too many mistakes dealers make while the game is going on. It's like you can't even take your eyes off the table. So my question is what kind of mistakes do people need to be aware of that dealers make? I will list them in numerical order and try to remember and list them as much as possible. It would be good if others can share.

1) dealer misses a field bet

2) dealer on one side of the table forgets to flip the puck to on while there is a point already establish - making it look like a come out roll (one time I didn't even realize it until I won when the point was made)

3) the dice hits a field bet and moves it somewhere else

4) dealer thought it was a 7 out (becuase it happened so many times that day) and wiped out all the chips up there

5) dealer was daydreaming and forgot to pay my place bets TWICE! I had to remind them!

6) somehow my pass line bet was knocked off a little (JUST A LITTLE!) and the dealer thought it was part of someone's don't come bet - the dealer stacked my pass line bet with the don't come bet and I had to tell him that it's my chip even though there were odds behind the pass line

Right now I can only remember these. I am sure there are more I will add when I remember them.

I've seen all of the above, except #4.

Usually, immediately point out the error, and it will be fixed with no conflict.

Dealer misses a call of "Off" or "No Action", and doesn't put the lammer on your chips. A seven results in them sweeping all your chips up.

Place bets added to the wrong player. This is especially common when someone changes positions, or joins the game mid roll.

Wrong odds on lay bets for DP/DC. it is not that common, and the match can be challenging when odd amounts are presented.

Quote: Ayecarumba

Place bets added to the wrong player. This is especially common when someone changes positions, or joins the game mid roll.

Especially with 10 bettors on a side and heavy place and come action.

Its best to learn where your bets should be positioned based on where you are standing... then you can check up on the dealers. Also listen to the calls yourself and note the actions taken and the sequence.

Often a crew member will suddenly notice that different ends of the table have different points, but the players should notice it even sooner.

Let your bets "breathe"... keep them separated physically if possible.

Some dealers are "not ready for prime time" and need to be watched like a hawk. They aren't trying to short change you, but there is a little too much for them to handle.

Some dealers are more than ready but also need to be watched like a hawk. They are cross-talking, allowing hands all over the table, and generally undaunted by the number of players and unconcerned about you.

Some dealers are great. Every payout is precise; every tip acknowledged. They know your bets and remind you to place them. They book bets clearly. They set chips precisely to identify betters. Then some idiot splashes the money and even they are confused. Were you lulled into not watching the dealer like a hawk?

Know every bet you make and the payoff.

State the issue clearly if there is a problem.

The casino has three dealers, the box, the floor, and surveillance working to "get it right"...you have one person to protect your interests. Don't play (or expect to be shorted accidentally or intentionally) unless you can protect yourself.

Quote: Ayecarumba

Place bets added to the wrong player. This is especially common when someone changes positions, or joins the game mid roll.

This is a question I have as to who's bet is who's. It's easy when you are standing next to the stickman or the dealer. When you are standing in other places, it's hard to see if it is the correct placing of your chips with your place bets especially when a bunch of players want to press their bets. Some table layouts have little lines that seperate player positions. Some tables don't have that and sometimes even dealers ask who's bet is who's. I'm surprised they don't have lines inside the boxes to make it easier to see. I also thought it was always a maximum of 8 players on one side. I was reading books and I rarely find books with pictures to explain how players can tell who's bet is who's (as to where they are standing).

Quote: focd

(as to where they are standing).

Its not related to where you are standing, but to which position your chip-rack is. On a crowded table that will of course be the same thing.
Diagram? They changed it recently, but the Pioneer(?) in Laughlin had a website with a training chart that had numbers around the point boxes that corresponded to the chip rack numbers.

When a dealer says "My three" you should whether that is you or not. Number one starts with the position immediately beside the Stickman. If you keep aware of the positioning, you can note if someone does it wrong. Whether you speak up about it is your decision, but you should notice if the dealer mis-positions your chips.

Quote: FleaStiff

Diagram? They changed it recently, but the Pioneer(?) in Laughlin had a website with a training chart that had numbers around the point boxes that corresponded to the chip rack numbers.

When a dealer says "My three" you should whether that is you or not. Number one starts with the position immediately beside the Stickman. If you keep aware of the positioning, you can note if someone does it wrong. Whether you speak up about it is your decision, but you should notice if the dealer mis-positions your chips.

When and why did they change it? I thought craps has always been the same.
"you should whether that is you or not"??? is that a typo?

Quote: focd

I also thought it was always a maximum of 8 players on one side.

Not on the long tables.

>When and why did they change it? I thought craps has always been the same.
They changed their website that showed the diagrams. They didn't change anything about how the game is played, just the website that showed how bets are positioned.
"you should whether that is you or not"??? is that a typo?
Yeah, typo. I gotta stop posting drunk.
It should have been you should know whether that is you or not. If a dealer says to the Stick something about a certain bet for "my three", you should know if that dealer is talking about you or someone else. Its just that if you are following what is happening you will more likely catch the dealer mistakes. Most crews are alert and capable, but mistakes do get made. Particularly at places where there are very few Don't Players and then I show up.

I've seen all but #4.

The only one I'd add up there is a wrong payout on a passline odds bet. The dealer has a stack of red and white in their hands and instead of paying me 4 red/2 red I get 4 red/2 white.



In general the ones I've seen missed most often is the bets that are inconsistent. Betting the Field 20% of the time for example. Any bet I have out there all the time the dealer is remembering. Other ones he has to look at the table and verify. I'm not saying that is good, just something that I assume comes with practice. Newer dealers are probably far more likely to miss bets like that than dealers that have been there for years.

I usually see very few mistakes with my bets but I bet a regular pattern that the dealers quickly learn. I have had many more instances when the dealer has caught a bet I missed and reminded me.

I also always mention to the dealer when I have pressed a bet during hot roll and a busy table. ie I have all the numbers covered with come bets and having been just getting paid on and off. If I press the next come bet I always let them know before they start the on and off payout without noticing the pressed bet.

If have always found if you work with the dealers and tip you will always get good service and the benefit of the doubt on a missed payout.

Quote: kenarman

I usually see very few mistakes with my bets but I bet a regular pattern that the dealers quickly learn. I have had many more instances when the dealer has caught a bet I missed and reminded me.

This has actually been my experience too. I've missed a few come bets and a few have let me still put it up. I'm sure I just lost that money again, but the number of times where they have helped me has exceeded the number of times they made a mistake.

Quote: soulhunt79

I've missed a few come bets and a few have let me still put it up.

Can you explain to me what this means? Does it mean you didn't actually put up a bet and they let you bet on it still? Thinking about it, why would you want to add a late come bet? If the point is rolled, wouldn't the odds be against you?

focd

Here is the deal; most casinos now have a lot of dealers that don’t know what they are doing, depending on the casino you are playing at!

Bigger casino will have better dealers, most of the time, but like everything else in life this does not hold true all the time! You need to know what you have bets on, and also make sure the dealer books the bets, don’t take anything for granted; it’s your money not theirs and you need to look out for it!

Some dealers shouldn’t even be in a casino that’s how bad they are, on the other hand there are some great dealers, but any more they are getting harder to find!

Learn how to count where your bet is placed, start with the first chip the is placed in the place number box, from the left hand side if you are standing on the right side of the table, then count them around to where you have your chips in the chip rack. If you are placing them in the 4 chip rack then you are the fourth chip to the right side counting from left to right.

Make sure all your bets get put there every time you make a bet on any point!

Try these;

1. Dealers pay’s everybody on the table on a seven out, when a dealer from a different casino spoke-up and told them that they just paid on a seven out. The dealers told him they knew what they were doing and continued to pay on every seven that was made.
The suit was nowhere to be found, and everybody on the table was screaming at the top of their lungs every time a seven was made! That had to be the best one I ever saw in a casino, we still talk about it with the dealer that told them that it was a seven out and you don’t pay on a seven out! 
This happened in a small casino with a bunch of break-in dealers!
 
2. Dealers that leave your odds up when you are betting come bets, and a seven was made on the come out roll.

3. Dealers that leaves your hardway bets up when the point was made soft. This can happen a lot if you have the dealers up on a bet under your control!

4. Dealers pay you the wrong amount, in your favor, needless to say it happens the other way around too!

5. Dealers do not book the bet and it hits, make sure the dealers book every bet you put down on the table!

6. Dealers pay your bet to someone else; this can happen a lot at night. There buddy is getting paid on your bets and you are not. The dealer just moved you bet over to his buddies spot on the box. This will happen when you have drunks on the table, watch out for this move by an unscrupulous dealer that doesn’t think he is getting paid enough, and wants to make his pay check off you!

7. Dealers that forget to pay your place bet, because you only place bet, and will not have a PL be unless you have the dice. This happens all the time if you bet like me, if someone established the 8 as a point, and I want to bet on it, I still place bet it and will never have a PL bet!

8. Dealers mark up the wrong point.

9. Dealers that are asleep at the table, I always play the grave yard shift!

10. Dealers that insist on placing your bets on the PL when you already told them you do not want them there!

Well there are 10! Next up, lets see what else you guys can come-up with I have a lot more, but I am sure you guys have a bunch more you can come up with!

I sure have never experienced everyone getting paid on a Seven but I have experienced dealers taking all come bets on a Seven-Out.

Note: Its probably helpful to say Stick's left or right or Boxman's Left or perhaps Right or Dealer's Left and Right,

I've been told "You have money on the table" when I say thank you and start to walk away. I've probably been able to keep track of my bets when I started playing, but time and beverages and losses play a role. For the dealers I would imagine its: Time, Lack of Beverages and Lack of Tips that affects their alertness levels. Usually dealers know what they are doing but sometimes they just are not paying attention. I've had a DontCome bet that had not traveled or not been paid when 2 was rolled. Oddly enough I've noticed that an empty table can have mistakes because with only 2 or 3 minimum bettors at the table the dealers can be mentally elsewhere.

One mistake that I use to see what dealers are up to is when I have both lay bets and don't come bets live and I ask for the lay bet to come down. If the dealer is doing it by rote, they will start taking down behind the line.

Quote: focd

Can you explain to me what this means? Does it mean you didn't actually put up a bet and they let you bet on it still? Thinking about it, why would you want to add a late come bet? If the point is rolled, wouldn't the odds be against you?

Yes, It has only happened like 3-4 times that I can remember, generally after a 2/3/12 is rolled AND where the shooter has been going a while where I'm sitting there with all my numbers covered and I rarely have to put up anymore money. I just miss that my come bet was taken down because craps was rolled.

So next roll comes up there isn't a come bet but a 6 is rolled. Normally I would still be up on it, instead they just pay me and I'm off the 6.


I know it is making my odds worse. I'd be better off with a place bet depending on which number is rolled. How much I don't know, but it can't be massive since this situation rarely happens. Also since it generally happens on a table where I'm winning big, I care even less. :)

Quote: soulhunt79

I know it is making my odds worse. I'd be better off with a place bet depending on which number is rolled. How much I don't know, but it can't be massive since this situation rarely happens. Also since it generally happens on a table where I'm winning big, I care even less. :)

This is where the Vegas 3-4-5x odds comes into play. Assume a $5 PL bet (but it doesn't matter what the base bet is). If you take the full 3-4-5x odds offered, you will end up getting paid the EXACT same amount, as if you had place bet it. Therefore, the ONLY thing that makes the PL w Odds bet any better is the comeout 7/11 winner (which is reduced by the 2,3,12 loser).

So, when you miss the come bet, and they 'let' you put the '6' up anyway with full odds, it is the exact same thing as if you had just place bet the 6 for $30. HOWEVER, if you had place bet it, you could take it down if you desire. With the come bet, you could only take back your odds. The base bet would have to stay.

There is one case though where I agree with putting the come bet up anyway. You are establishing with the box that you are making this bet, and you are willing to take the bet. However, this means that if a 7/11 was rolled, they should be willing to pay you for the missed bet.

If you get on a table that has 5x odds or greater on all of the points, then the 'late' come bet is a better deal for you than the place bet. Of course, this is what they call a PUT BET. Not every casino allows PUT bets, but I know the Tunica and Biloxi casinos do. A PUT bet is basically making a Come bet on the number you choose. you are forgoing the comeout roll advantage, but you get to PUT your bet on your number, and then put full odds behind it. Again, you can take back your odds at any time, but the base PUT bet has to stay until resolved.

$10 base bet on a 10x table.
$120 place bet 6 will pay $140
$10 put bet 6 with $100 odds will pay $130
Slight advantage to PUT bet the 6/8 on a 10x table.

$100 place bet 5 will pay $140
$10 Put bet 5 with $90 odds will pay $145 (pays $160 if you take the full $100 odds)
Put bet on the 5/9 is a much better deal

$100 Buy bet on the 4 pays $195 (200 less the 5 vig)
$10 Put bet 4 with $90 odds pays $190
So Put bet is worse than the Buy bet.

I'm just curious if they actually use the chip positioning system like place bets to determine who is where since I am not a come/don't come player for the come/don't come bets with odds.

Quote: focd

I'm just curious if they actually use the chip positioning system like place bets to determine who is where since I am not a come/don't come player for the come/don't come bets with odds.

Not completely following this. Any area of the table where the dealer actually places the bet, has a very specific place for each person. If all you are doing is placing things like pass/odd and field bets, then no system is used for you. But if you just do a place bet on the 6, you have a specific place up there for your bets.

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think you can break up the 4/5/6/8/9/10 numbers into 4 sections starting from the dealer. Don't Come, (whatever the opposite of place bets are), Come, Place bets. Each of those are broken up into 8 slots(I guess there are tables with 10 player slots, too). The same concept exists on every prop bet in the middle.

Quote: soulhunt79

Not completely following this.

My question was if they use the positioning system like the place bets for come bets and don't come bets that have traveled and end up in the box. And yes, is the system slightly different for the prop bets in the middle of the table? I never paid attention to how they position the chips in the middle of the table. I don't think books explain this either.

There's a position system for every long term bet on the craps table.

Short term (i.e. one roll) bets, like the junk in the middle, don't use the same system because, they are only one roll, and they are not that popular.

Regarding the Don't Come boxes. There is enough room for as many don't stacks as there are place/come stacks. The difference is, they don't need to leave room for the puck.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

The difference is, they don't need to leave room for the puck.

Not understanding.

Quote: focd

Not understanding.

The "hockey puck" that marks the point number.

Dealers are rotated to prevent any sort of dealer-player collusion and to keep the dealers alert. This requires that a new dealer be able to approach a craps table and as soon as he taps in, know which chips are whose. That is why the dealers use care to position a player's bets as precisely as possible. However, the action is often fast and sometimes a dealer is looking elsewhere at a time a bet is made.

One incident involved my making come bets and the player beside me doing the same thing. We were each rather whimsical and I having taken a pause suddenly resumed making ComeBets. So I put my ComeBet out into the Come area on the layout in front of me but I happened to do this at a time when the dealer was looking elsewhere. The dealer then spotted the come bet in the come area and thought it belonged to the player beside me. So the dealer positioned it in the proper box but at the wrong location. When the bet won, the dealer paid off the player on my left who promptly picked up the bet and moved it over closer to where I was standing. We each knew whose bet it was but it was the dealer who had it wrong.

Quote: FleaStiff

The "hockey puck" that marks the point number.

Yes, I understand what item he is talking about. What I don't get is what he meant by leaving room for the puck. So does he mean that if box is filled with bets, then the dealer can move the puck elsewhere? So how does a player know what the point in when joining midgame if this is so?

from the original post continued ...
7) A 7 out happens but the dealer forgets to take back all the place bets. I've seen it twice. The stick always corrects the dealer.

In addition to superrick's ten, I've seen:

1. Dealers leave up a hardways bets after it was thrown softly (happens alot).
2. Dealers mispay center bets (happens frequently).
3. Dealers allow players to overbet odds or to put odd dollar odds on points of 5 and 9 (not really a dealer error).

I am always watching my action like a hawk and tend not to drink around the craps table. I am always making sure that I know what I am betting and that I get paid fairly after every roll. I tend to correct the dealers around most errors with the exception of leaving the center bets up.

Quote: boymimbo

1. Dealers leave up a hardways bets after it was thrown softly (happens alot).

I think this might happen often. So does the boxman pay attention to this? I suspect that they are bored sometimes and daydreams. Of course as a player, it is not really your responsibility to correct their mistakes, but at the same time, you wouldn't want them to think you're not telling them on purpose. If the stick forgets, then it should be fine if the boxman isn't paying attention. But will the boxman notice?

The boxman will notice and also the boxman will notice that a hardway will get improperly left-up after a soft roll more often if the bettor has been a good tipper than if he has not.
It happens. Sometimes its an oversight. Sometimes its an oversight influenced by dealer attitudes.
Sometimes its a jammed up table sometimes its sheer boredom that makes a dealer "space out".

I once asked for a place bet and the dealer put my money behind the line as a lay bet. Doesn't he know the difference? Ofcourse he does. He simply gets into a habit since I had been doing that flat bet followed by lay bet all afternoon long. He expected it and he "heard" what he expected to hear. His hands did was his mind had prepared them to do. He has to deal with boredom on his job and often that is what leads to mistakes. Can you imagine how often his eyes scan the DontCome box and see nothing there because most players never put anything there? After a while his eye scan just doesn't see anything there.

There are some mistakes players commitwhile playing craps game, some of those are already mentioned in the thread and the rest are:-

1 – Misunderstanding Averages
Many craps players misunderstand the law of averages and assume that the dice must somehow ‘correct’ themselves to favor all sides equally in the short term.

2 – Chasing Losses
You cannot win every time in the casino games. So don't be overconfident by placing the loosing bets.

3 – Don't be Greedy
Some time winning few bets make the player greedy; he thinks that it is his day and today he is not going to lose so he bet more money or sometimes all his money. Don't be like that. You can win on any bet and also loose on any bet.

4 – Set a Bankroll
It is always recommended to set a bankroll before betting. It can save you from becoming bankrupt, as you have already set the limit you can afford to lose.

Is this a craps mistake?
When you have a place bet and on the come out roll that number is rolled. The dealer takes down your place bet without asking you and returns it to you. 99.9% of the dealers ask what you want to do with it if your place bet happens to be the point. I personally prefer that they take it down instead of moving it to another number or pressing it. Is this a mistake by the dealer to take down a bet without asking? I think this is really rare and probably no one has encountered it. Maybe the dealer is new or something.

Quote: focd

Is this a craps mistake?
When you have a place bet and on the come out roll that number is rolled. The dealer takes down your place bet without asking you and returns it to you. 99.9% of the dealers ask what you want to do with it if your place bet happens to be the point. I personally prefer that they take it down instead of moving it to another number or pressing it. Is this a mistake by the dealer to take down a bet without asking? I think this is really rare and probably no one has encountered it. Maybe the dealer is new or something.

If the player also has a pass line bet, most dealers will take that place bet down, because you would presumably want to use that money to take odds rather than leave it up as a place bet. For instance, if you had a place bet for $10 on the five, and that number becomes the point, you'd rather win $15 than $14. If the player doesn't have a pass line bet, dealers will almost always leave the place bet up, or ask you if you want to move it to the companion number.

FOCD -


This thread is about mistakes that cost you, or the casino, money.

This 'error' is a lack of customer service by taking it down without asking, but isn't really a mistake.

Did you have a pass line bet? If so, did you have all of your other normal numbers covered? If so, then taking it down is actually the most appropriate action, short of asking you what to do.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

FOCD -


This thread is about mistakes that cost you, or the casino, money.

Yes, I was asking if taking a bet down without asking is a dealer mistake (I have never seen this happen before) and something that can potentially cost me money if the number happens to hit. It's on the same topic as the thread.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

This 'error' is a lack of customer service by taking it down without asking, but isn't really a mistake.

Isn't an error a mistake or something really close to a mistake? I wasn't sure before which is why I asked. Even though this is/might not be a mistake, I still feel that it is. I have never seen a dealer move someone's bet without asking. Even if it paid less, a bet is a bet. Just because it pays less doesn't really make it ok to remove someone's bet without asking. (at least in my opinion).

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Did you have a pass line bet? If so, did you have all of your other normal numbers covered? If so, then taking it down is actually the most appropriate action, short of asking you what to do.

I did have a line bet. I'm not doubting your knowledge of craps, but don't they usually ask if you want to move the chips over to another number by pressing it? Or even if most of the numbers aren't covered, they would ask if you want to move it somewhere else. On that day I did not have all the numbers covered. I'm not angry at the dealer for what they did, but if it DID HIT then I would be angry because I still feel they have no right to remove someone's bet without asking even if their intentions are good or it happens if it was a "dumb" bet that happens to pay less. Do you see dealers moving the big 6 and big 8 bets without asking customers? That's my point. And of course, there is only a problem if the player happens to be chatting or something and misses the fact that the dealer moved the bet. Otherwise, it is not a big deal as anyone can ask the dealer to put it back up.

Quote: focd

Do you see dealers moving the big 6 and big 8 bets without asking customers? That's my point.

Hard to say. I've never seen a player MAKE that bet. Sure, I live in NJ where the Big 6/8 isn't even offered, but I've been to Vegas enough to know that I'd remember laughing to myself if a player ever made that bet.

Quote: focd

And of course, there is only a problem if the player happens to be chatting or something and misses the fact that the dealer moved the bet. Otherwise, it is not a big deal as anyone can ask the dealer to put it back up.

I was going to suggest that there is a chance you were distracted. Or that it was a rookie dealer.

For the record, I agree that you should have gotten asked, but do not qualify that as a mistake.

Often I'd ask to press my bet a unit, and the dealer would do exactly that. But occasionally, he either didn't hear me and paid me in full, or would press it all the way. No big deal. As long as I see where the chips are moving I can fix it before the next roll.

On the flip side, if he presses in full, I suddenly get a bad mojo about reducing it to what I intended, and end up leaving it as is.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Hard to say. I've never seen a player MAKE that bet. Sure, I live in NJ where the Big 6/8 isn't even offered, but I've been to Vegas enough to know that I'd remember laughing to myself if a player ever made that bet.

But you're not understanding my point. Even if it is a stupid bet, dealers SHOULDN'T have the right to remove someone's bet without asking. What if I bent down to tie my shoelaces and all of a sudden my bet was gone. That doesn't sound right. Would you be happy if they removed those prop bets you made if you made them since they don't pay well and are sucker bets?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

I was going to suggest that there is a chance you were distracted. Or that it was a rookie dealer.

For the record, I agree that you should have gotten asked, but do not qualify that as a mistake.

That's my question to begin with. Was this a rookie mistake? So are you saying that dealers have the right to remove patron's bets if they feel it is not a good one without asking? So is this your opionion that it's not a mistake or it's a confirmed fact? It seriously feels weird to me that a dealer can remove a bet without asking. This is because if the bet won then the player would be angry and ask - WHO GAVE YOU PERMISSION TO REMOVE MY BET WITHOUT MY CONSENT! I'm guessing that would be a reaction if someone was betting big. So have dealers removed your bets without asking you?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Often I'd ask to press my bet a unit, and the dealer would do exactly that. But occasionally, he either didn't hear me and paid me in full, or would press it all the way. No big deal. As long as I see where the chips are moving I can fix it before the next roll.

It's not that simple sometimes. Sometimes people might order drinks and take their eyes off the table. 99.9999% of the players will assume the bets are going to be the way they are since they didn't instruct the dealer to make changes. I personally like it if they took it down automatically, but that's just not how dealers do it. They usually ask.

Quote: focd

99.9999% of the players will assume the bets are going to be the way they are since they didn't instruct the dealer to make changes. I personally like it if they took it down automatically, but that's just not how dealers do it. They usually ask.

Actually, most players will assume that, if they have a pass line bet, their place bet will be taken down. Most experienced dealers will catch on quickly if your preference is to be a "mover", or a "downer", and continue to do so in the future. I would not classify this as a "mistake", unless this is the first time your place bet became the new point.

Quote: focd

What I don't get is what he meant by leaving room for the puck. So does he mean that if box is filled with bets, then the dealer can move the puck elsewhere? So how does a player know what the point in when joining midgame if this is so?

It would be very unusual for the Place/Come bets and the DC (Don't Come) boxes to be filled simultaneously. I have never seen a situation where there was not room for the puck someplace.

Your question reminds me of an error I have seen frequently; not marking the point, and leaving the puck "OFF". It is usually corrected by the stickman, but it slows the game down, since the place bets have to be handled.

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Quote: Ayecarumba

Actually, most players will assume that, if they have a pass line bet, their place bet will be taken down.

That is really weird as I have played this whole time and EVERY dealer asks me what I want to do with it. I have not played that much but I have played quite a bit the past few months at many different places (almost nonstop). They ALWAYS ask what you want to do with it if your place bet happens to be the point. Can someone else confirm this?

Quote: Ayecarumba

Most experienced dealers will catch on quickly if your preference is to be a "mover", or a "downer", and continue to do so in the future. I would not classify this as a "mistake", unless this is the first time your place bet became the new point.

Well, of course if you are a chronic mover or downer then the dealer might just do it for you automatically and it shouldn't be a problem. But a problem might arise when they move it for you without asking. Then how do they know which number you want to move it to? This is the first time I played with that dealer and it was weird how she just downed it. Seriously, I can think of so so many dealers and so many times and they always ask what I want to do with it.