Online video slot RNG
May 31st, 2017 at 7:23:11 PM
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Hello
I recently stumbled upon the Wizard of Odds and through the Facebook page to the Wizard of Vegas forum. I've lightly browsed through your website and I feel like this could be the place to post a question/some thoughts that have been bothering me for a while.
So I'll just jump straight to it:
Video slots have an RNG that is determining the outcome of each spin. Mustn't there be a "pool" of possible outcomes from which those outcomes are "drawed"? I mean there can't be an infinite number of outcomes, right?
Just recently I've been arguing with Bet365 about Thunderstuck 2 video slot and especially it's special feature "Wildstorm". I asked the casino how often on average or what is the % chance for any given spin for the feature to trigger. They refused to answer me, saying that since it's randomly generated it's impossible to tell. I find this hard to believe since how can they state that the slot's RTP is 96.50% if they can't calculate the special feature in?
I myself played the slot for a thousand spins with varying bets (30c - 1.2€) and got an RTP of 97.56%, so I "beat" the RTP, which is nice. What's not nice is the fact that I didn't trigger the special feature spin even once. While I understand that a thousand spins is not much and by no means a guarantee the feature should spin it got me curious to start asking about it. So here I am. The casino didn't help me so I turned to you.
Thank you in advance for anyone reading and/or contributing.
I recently stumbled upon the Wizard of Odds and through the Facebook page to the Wizard of Vegas forum. I've lightly browsed through your website and I feel like this could be the place to post a question/some thoughts that have been bothering me for a while.
So I'll just jump straight to it:
Video slots have an RNG that is determining the outcome of each spin. Mustn't there be a "pool" of possible outcomes from which those outcomes are "drawed"? I mean there can't be an infinite number of outcomes, right?
Just recently I've been arguing with Bet365 about Thunderstuck 2 video slot and especially it's special feature "Wildstorm". I asked the casino how often on average or what is the % chance for any given spin for the feature to trigger. They refused to answer me, saying that since it's randomly generated it's impossible to tell. I find this hard to believe since how can they state that the slot's RTP is 96.50% if they can't calculate the special feature in?
I myself played the slot for a thousand spins with varying bets (30c - 1.2€) and got an RTP of 97.56%, so I "beat" the RTP, which is nice. What's not nice is the fact that I didn't trigger the special feature spin even once. While I understand that a thousand spins is not much and by no means a guarantee the feature should spin it got me curious to start asking about it. So here I am. The casino didn't help me so I turned to you.
Thank you in advance for anyone reading and/or contributing.
May 31st, 2017 at 9:38:53 PM
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1000 spins on most any multi line game is irrelevant. What you are looking for is a par sheet and they are not readily available and the information contained is considered confidential. Find a par sheet for the game in question and you should find the answers you ar looking for.
June 8th, 2017 at 8:07:33 AM
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Thanks for your answer!
Like I said, I know 1000 spins it not relevant, I just wanted to give some perspective.
You kind of answered my question about the "pool" size already, saying that a PAR sheet would really answer my question. Thanks for that.
I'm really frustrated the casino's statement has just been like: "Impossible to tell because its random." Which is obviously not true, given that there really is a PAR sheet for each slot out there.
Like I said, I know 1000 spins it not relevant, I just wanted to give some perspective.
You kind of answered my question about the "pool" size already, saying that a PAR sheet would really answer my question. Thanks for that.
I'm really frustrated the casino's statement has just been like: "Impossible to tell because its random." Which is obviously not true, given that there really is a PAR sheet for each slot out there.
July 9th, 2017 at 8:50:03 PM
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They either refuse to tell you or they don't know how to look up the information (or both, they could look it up for you but are not going to).
I once did 4,000 spins of Quick Hit at a free games site (recording each win amount) to produce an approximate paytable. The estimated probability of getting free games was 1 in 87.
I once did 4,000 spins of Quick Hit at a free games site (recording each win amount) to produce an approximate paytable. The estimated probability of getting free games was 1 in 87.
July 11th, 2017 at 10:04:45 AM
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Quote: KevinAA
I once did 4,000 spins of Quick Hit at a free games site (recording each win amount) to produce an approximate paytable. The estimated probability of getting free games was 1 in 87.
The land-based versions of the game are generally 1 in 96. Maybe they make it slightly more likely for the online version of the game, or you just ran hot on, 'Free Games," symbols.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
July 11th, 2017 at 2:33:00 PM
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Quote: KevinAAThey either refuse to tell you or they don't know how to look up the information (or both, they could look it up for you but are not going to).
I once did 4,000 spins of Quick Hit at a free games site (recording each win amount) to produce an approximate paytable. The estimated probability of getting free games was 1 in 87.
Yeah that's what I figured... I'll probably just stick to sports betting on the site and move my casino action somewhere else. Thanks for your reply.
