minoree
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May 31st, 2017 at 7:23:11 PM permalink
Hello

I recently stumbled upon the Wizard of Odds and through the Facebook page to the Wizard of Vegas forum. I've lightly browsed through your website and I feel like this could be the place to post a question/some thoughts that have been bothering me for a while.

So I'll just jump straight to it:

Video slots have an RNG that is determining the outcome of each spin. Mustn't there be a "pool" of possible outcomes from which those outcomes are "drawed"? I mean there can't be an infinite number of outcomes, right?

Just recently I've been arguing with Bet365 about Thunderstuck 2 video slot and especially it's special feature "Wildstorm". I asked the casino how often on average or what is the % chance for any given spin for the feature to trigger. They refused to answer me, saying that since it's randomly generated it's impossible to tell. I find this hard to believe since how can they state that the slot's RTP is 96.50% if they can't calculate the special feature in?

I myself played the slot for a thousand spins with varying bets (30c - 1.2) and got an RTP of 97.56%, so I "beat" the RTP, which is nice. What's not nice is the fact that I didn't trigger the special feature spin even once. While I understand that a thousand spins is not much and by no means a guarantee the feature should spin it got me curious to start asking about it. So here I am. The casino didn't help me so I turned to you.

Thank you in advance for anyone reading and/or contributing.
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minoree
May 31st, 2017 at 9:38:53 PM permalink
1000 spins on most any multi line game is irrelevant. What you are looking for is a par sheet and they are not readily available and the information contained is considered confidential. Find a par sheet for the game in question and you should find the answers you ar looking for.
minoree
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June 8th, 2017 at 8:07:33 AM permalink
Thanks for your answer!

Like I said, I know 1000 spins it not relevant, I just wanted to give some perspective.

You kind of answered my question about the "pool" size already, saying that a PAR sheet would really answer my question. Thanks for that.

I'm really frustrated the casino's statement has just been like: "Impossible to tell because its random." Which is obviously not true, given that there really is a PAR sheet for each slot out there.
KevinAA
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July 9th, 2017 at 8:50:03 PM permalink
They either refuse to tell you or they don't know how to look up the information (or both, they could look it up for you but are not going to).

I once did 4,000 spins of Quick Hit at a free games site (recording each win amount) to produce an approximate paytable. The estimated probability of getting free games was 1 in 87.
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July 11th, 2017 at 10:04:45 AM permalink
Quote: KevinAA


I once did 4,000 spins of Quick Hit at a free games site (recording each win amount) to produce an approximate paytable. The estimated probability of getting free games was 1 in 87.



The land-based versions of the game are generally 1 in 96. Maybe they make it slightly more likely for the online version of the game, or you just ran hot on, 'Free Games," symbols.
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minoree
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July 11th, 2017 at 2:33:00 PM permalink
Quote: KevinAA

They either refuse to tell you or they don't know how to look up the information (or both, they could look it up for you but are not going to).

I once did 4,000 spins of Quick Hit at a free games site (recording each win amount) to produce an approximate paytable. The estimated probability of getting free games was 1 in 87.



Yeah that's what I figured... I'll probably just stick to sports betting on the site and move my casino action somewhere else. Thanks for your reply.

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