Negative splits when piggybacking on another player

You're betting on someone else's box (unadvisable for a basic strategist). He receives one of the negative splits, eg. 88 vs 9. He correctly splits.

Surely it's better, assuming the casino gives you the option, to not put out the extra bet yourself and just choose one of the two new hands to put your chips behind? Basically, you're saying "take away that second 8 and deal me another card".

This would be true for 22 vs 2 and 3, 33 vs 2,3 and 7, 66 vs 2 and 3, 77 vs 2, 3 and 7, 88 vs 8, 9, 10 and ace and 99 vs 9, assuming DAS and peek.

If this is correct, by how much would it reduce the house edge? Of course, it assumes that the player in charge of calling the decisions is a perfect basic strategist.

Quote: Caruso

You're betting on someone else's box (unadvisable for a basic strategist). He receives one of the negative splits, eg. 88 vs 9. He correctly splits.

Surely it's better, assuming the casino gives you the option, to not put out the extra bet yourself and just choose one of the two new hands to put your chips behind? Basically, you're saying "take away that second 8 and deal me another card".

This would be true for 22 vs 2 and 3, 33 vs 2,3 and 7, 66 vs 2 and 3, 77 vs 2, 3 and 7, 88 vs 8, 9, 10 and ace and 99 vs 9, assuming DAS and peek.

If this is correct, by how much would it reduce the house edge? Of course, it assumes that the player in charge of calling the decisions is a perfect basic strategist.

About .08% according to WoO BJ appx. 19.

Thanks!

The only number I question is 66 vs 4. Why is it given as not to put out the additional bet, ie it's a "1" play? 66 vs 4 is positive for splitting. Shouldn't it be a "2" play? All the other plays are as I had assumed.

Quote: Caruso

Thanks!

The only number I question is 66 vs 4. Why is it given as not to put out the additional bet, ie it's a "1" play? 66 vs 4 is positive for splitting. Shouldn't it be a "2" play? All the other plays are as I had assumed.

You are right. It appears if you can DAS, then you put the additional bet, but not if you can't double after splitting.

Wong has it as a "1" for DAS also. However, if you can resplit to at least 4 hands then 6/6 vs 4 squeaks into positive territory, which was confusing me - Wong's charts are based on no resplit. So, no DAS or DAS but no resplit, then stay put because value is negative. But if you can resplit to 4, then you should put out the extra bet because the value is marginally positive. I think that's correct.