TheGodGuy
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January 2nd, 2016 at 7:00:37 AM permalink
I am not a serious gambler. I budget $20 when I get the urge...That being said, I believe I have discovered a flaw in the random number generating algorithm of some Keno Machines in Colorado that regularly let me walk out with $200 in my pocket for about 30 minutes of time invested. Somehow, after about 10 picks of a machine...I am able to determine a pattern to the picks and determine a relative likelihood of a payout on specific numbers. If I were willing to bet more, obviously I could win more...I have done this over and over for a few months now. I am a spiritual man that enjoys the game but I have begun to wonder if I am cheating...or if I should inform someone of the exploit I have discovered. This is a honest question and I am hoping to avoid the "stick it to the man" styled responses. Should a gambler report a flaw in the game?
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January 2nd, 2016 at 7:03:02 AM permalink
Quote: TheGodGuy

I am not a serious gambler. I budget $20 when I get the urge...That being said, I believe I have discovered a flaw in the random number generating algorithm of some Keno Machines in Colorado that regularly let me walk out with $200 in my pocket for about 30 minutes of time invested. Somehow, after about 10 picks of a machine...I am able to determine a pattern to the picks and determine a relative likelihood of a payout on specific numbers. If I were willing to bet more, obviously I could win more...I have done this over and over for a few months now. I am a spiritual man that enjoys the game but I have begun to wonder if I am cheating...or if I should inform someone of the exploit I have discovered. This is a honest question and I am hoping to avoid the "stick it to the man" styled responses. Should a gambler report a flaw in the game?



Welcome new member.
You certainly are not serious.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 7:04:07 AM permalink
Quote: TheGodGuy

I am not a serious gambler. I budget $20 when I get the urge...That being said, I believe I have discovered a flaw in the random number generating algorithm of some Keno Machines in Colorado that regularly let me walk out with $200 in my pocket for about 30 minutes of time invested. Somehow, after about 10 picks of a machine...I am able to determine a pattern to the picks and determine a relative likelihood of a payout on specific numbers. If I were willing to bet more, obviously I could win more...I have done this over and over for a few months now. I am a spiritual man that enjoys the game but I have begun to wonder if I am cheating...or if I should inform someone of the exploit I have discovered. This is a honest question and I am hoping to avoid the "stick it to the man" styled responses. Should a gambler report a flaw in the game?



Stick it to the man!
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January 2nd, 2016 at 7:46:28 AM permalink
Quote: TheGodGuy

I am not a serious gambler. I budget $20 when I get the urge...That being said, I believe I have discovered a flaw in the random number generating algorithm of some Keno Machines in Colorado that regularly let me walk out with $200 in my pocket for about 30 minutes of time invested. Somehow, after about 10 picks of a machine...I am able to determine a pattern to the picks and determine a relative likelihood of a payout on specific numbers. If I were willing to bet more, obviously I could win more...I have done this over and over for a few months now. I am a spiritual man that enjoys the game but I have begun to wonder if I am cheating...or if I should inform someone of the exploit I have discovered. This is a honest question and I am hoping to avoid the "stick it to the man" styled responses. Should a gambler report a flaw in the game?

I seriously doubt you found a flaw. I hear this crap all the time, yet almost never is it real. When it is real, usually the people involved keep the information to themselves as long as possible. But it is possible to find something like this, so for agreements sake let's say you did find something exploitable .

You say "I am a spiritual man" yet you have been doing this for a few months? I don't really understand that.

How spiritual are you? What do you think will happen by doing what some may consider the wrong thing? A truly spiritual person would give back any winnings and report "the flaw".

If you're not at that level then perhaps you can negotiate a fee for exposing the error.

If you only feel slightly guilty playing it, you could just sell the information to someone who doesn't have a problem playing it.

I honestly think you're mistaking. Make a Video and let someone confirm this is real. Find someone who is reputable who won't act on or disclose the information until you make a decision.

Until some solid proof I think it's not worth talking about.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 7:52:50 AM permalink
Isn't there a priest here who gambles? Jesus' disciples gambled to see who would be the next disciple. What does being spiritual have to do with gambling or beating the game you're playing against? You used your God-given intelligence to beat a game your opponent offered, there's no reason to feel guilty.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 7:53:55 AM permalink
Quote: TheGodGuy

I am not a serious gambler. I budget $20 when I get the urge...That being said, I believe I have discovered a flaw in the random number generating algorithm of some Keno Machines in Colorado that regularly let me walk out with $200 in my pocket for about 30 minutes of time invested. Somehow, after about 10 picks of a machine...I am able to determine a pattern to the picks and determine a relative likelihood of a payout on specific numbers. If I were willing to bet more, obviously I could win more...I have done this over and over for a few months now. I am a spiritual man that enjoys the game but I have begun to wonder if I am cheating...or if I should inform someone of the exploit I have discovered. This is a honest question and I am hoping to avoid the "stick it to the man" styled responses. Should a gambler report a flaw in the game?



You should tell the casino, give all your
winnings back, and go to church and
throw yourself on the floor and beg
for gods forgiveness.

Or keep playing and not worry about it.
Either way is good..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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January 2nd, 2016 at 8:06:36 AM permalink
Do you actually keep records.How many times have you won 200,or have you lost a few times? Have you won every time.
Depending on your results it could easily be variance.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 9:50:13 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You should tell the casino, give all your
winnings back, and go to church and
throw yourself on the floor and beg
for gods forgiveness.

Or keep playing and not worry about it.
Either way is good..



The ch urch would probably say, keep doing this but give all the winnings to us so your soul is clean.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 10:01:17 AM permalink
Don't report it to the casino. First of all, chances are you've been lucky, no such patterns exist, they only seem to exist. If you believe you've "found something" relating to the Keno game, bring a pen and notepad and get some of them Keno tickets. Sit somewhere in the casino and do everything you normally would do, but don't bet any $$$$. Write anything that would be a bet on a piece of paper and anything that'd be a win on the paper.

How many spots are you betting?


Quote: GWAE

The ch urch would probably say, keep doing this but give all the winnings to us so your soul is clean.



Not sure which church or denomination church you've been to. I've never heard such a thing.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 10:17:38 AM permalink
I'm saying we are starting to get a ton of fake stories in here- in fairness- I did find a flaw one were Freeplay that was downloaded onto a machine would load to the machine would not deduct from your balance- but that's not a gaming error that's more of a programming error on player cards and rating computer that effected very very few players because of the circumstances involved- I still managed to get
-edited - before they stopped it
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January 2nd, 2016 at 10:19:49 AM permalink
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I'm saying we are starting to get a ton of fake stories in here- in fairness- I did find a flaw one were Freeplay that was downloaded onto a machine would load to the machine would not deduct from your balance- but that's not a gaming error that's more of a programming error on player cards and rating computer that effected very very few players because of the circumstances involved- I still managed to get
-edited - before they stopped it


I had a situation like this a few months back. Got an extra $85 free play. Not much but I'll take it.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 10:22:21 AM permalink
I beat- if it's not private could you pm me where you were?
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January 2nd, 2016 at 10:28:27 AM permalink
It was just a one time event. Had $100 total. Used $15 on some UX plays then moved machines and used the rest on Spin Poker. An hour later, that $85 was still on my card so I used it again. And yes, I did finish the original $85. So I got $185 total. Was never asked for it back....yet :-)
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January 2nd, 2016 at 10:56:27 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Don't report it to the casino. First of all, chances are you've been lucky, no such patterns exist, they only seem to exist. If you believe you've "found something" relating to the Keno game, bring a pen and notepad and get some of them Keno tickets. Sit somewhere in the casino and do everything you normally would do, but don't bet any $$$$. Write anything that would be a bet on a piece of paper and anything that'd be a win on the paper.

How many spots are you betting?




Not sure which church or denomination church you've been to. I've never heard such a thing.




He is talking about keno machines. Not live casino, so your advice would not work.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 10:59:17 AM permalink
Maybe he meant in the Muslim religion you should not gamble- however Donald trump is getting rid of all of them so it might be a dead issue
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January 2nd, 2016 at 12:36:20 PM permalink
The OP is patently not cheating if he is exploiting a pattern. Why would anyone think he is cheating if he noticed a pattern only?

There is a story about a casino turning off their Keno machine every night, causing a repeating pattern. Does the OP know we know that and is just posting to chuckle at reactions?
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January 2nd, 2016 at 12:41:14 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

He is talking about keno machines. Not live casino, so your advice would not work.



Ah, I'm retarded. I read it as "the machine that generates the (live) Keno numbers..."
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January 2nd, 2016 at 1:06:25 PM permalink
Quote: RS






Not sure which church or denomination church you've been to. I've never heard such a thing.



It was just a joke. Probably in bad taste and offensive but it was my attempt at humor.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 5:49:10 PM permalink
This reminds me of the statistician who discovered how to win on a certain scratch-off lottery ticket. He reported it to the lottery corporation.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 6:03:04 PM permalink
Quote: TheGodGuy

Should a gambler report a flaw in the game?



If the game is predictable, it is not fair.

The only way to protect the innocent from an unfair game is to get it shut down.

The easiest way to get that game shut down is to exploit it so the house no longer feels it is profitable to offer.

How you distribute the proceeds is up to you, of course - I suggest strong drink and women of negotiable virtue. If it was good enough for Jesus, maybe it's good enough for you.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 6:09:26 PM permalink
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Ah, I'm retarded.

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January 2nd, 2016 at 6:17:04 PM permalink
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January 2nd, 2016 at 6:35:16 PM permalink
I doubt there's a flaw with the game, but if it's in Blackhawk or Central City, I'd be interested in taking a look at it.
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January 2nd, 2016 at 6:46:18 PM permalink
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I doubt there's a flaw with the game, but if it's in Blackhawk or Central City, I'd be interested in taking a look at it.




And if there is a flaw, I think there are a few people who won't have the same moral dilemma. Hand raised!
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January 2nd, 2016 at 6:49:45 PM permalink
"after ten picks" you notice a pattern but it takes 30 minutes for you to win?? Can't you win on the 11th pick?
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January 4th, 2016 at 10:10:43 AM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

Isn't there a priest here who gambles? Jesus' disciples gambled to see who would be the next disciple. What does being spiritual have to do with gambling or beating the game you're playing against? You used your God-given intelligence to beat a game your opponent offered, there's no reason to feel guilty.



I've thought about this quite a bit.

The "pro-gambling" (devil) - May as well win that money and put it to better use for the Kingdom

The "anti-gambling" (angel) - This place was built on the tears of losers. It's ill-gotten gain (in Gomer Pyle voice).

Ultimately, when it comes down to it - if someone you know has a problem with gambling, you simply don't share the fact that you gamble with them, because it causes them to have issues with you. As long as it doesn't take money away from the important things in your life - child support, mortgage, etc., then really, it's just as innocent as taking a gal out to a fancy restaurant and drinks - which, depending on that restaurant and the drinks - could cost $100 to 200 bucks each night. Neither are typically considered a great way to spend your money, but neither are inherently sinful.
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January 4th, 2016 at 8:01:44 PM permalink
Thank y'all for your comments
...Blackhawk...Ameristar...Gameking Keno machines...
I play a pick 3 at a nickel. Which pays 46 to 1...highest payout I have found in Black hawk/Central City for a pick 3.....If after 10 picks it hasn't touched any of the 3... I move on to the next machine....it seems to me the machines cycle somehow but I haven't figured it out. If it picks at least one then I will give it a few more tries....When it picks 2 of the three at least two times within 5 picks....I change to dollars....and it should pay within 5 picks....I ended up next to a lady the other day and she saw that the machine had paid....then she said..."Oh...it was only a pick 3." I replied; "Yes, but in these three machines in the last ten minutes...I've won $100.".... I didn't change to dollars fast enough on the middle machine.
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January 4th, 2016 at 10:29:43 PM permalink
Quote: TheGodGuy

Thank y'all for your comments
...Blackhawk...Ameristar...Gameking Keno machines...
I play a pick 3 at a nickel. Which pays 46 to 1...highest payout I have found in Black hawk/Central City for a pick 3.....If after 10 picks it hasn't touched any of the 3... I move on to the next machine....it seems to me the machines cycle somehow but I haven't figured it out. If it picks at least one then I will give it a few more tries....When it picks 2 of the three at least two times within 5 picks....I change to dollars....and it should pay within 5 picks....I ended up next to a lady the other day and she saw that the machine had paid....then she said..."Oh...it was only a pick 3." I replied; "Yes, but in these three machines in the last ten minutes...I've won $100.".... I didn't change to dollars fast enough on the middle machine.



Ah, I see you've found the secret to winning at video keno. Take 'em for all they got!
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January 4th, 2016 at 11:41:33 PM permalink
Quote: TheGodGuy

Thank y'all for your comments
...Blackhawk...Ameristar...Gameking Keno machines...
I play a pick 3 at a nickel. Which pays 46 to 1...highest payout I have found in Black hawk/Central City for a pick 3.....If after 10 picks it hasn't touched any of the 3... I move on to the next machine....it seems to me the machines cycle somehow but I haven't figured it out. If it picks at least one then I will give it a few more tries....When it picks 2 of the three at least two times within 5 picks....I change to dollars....and it should pay within 5 picks....I ended up next to a lady the other day and she saw that the machine had paid....then she said..."Oh...it was only a pick 3." I replied; "Yes, but in these three machines in the last ten minutes...I've won $100.".... I didn't change to dollars fast enough on the middle machine.



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January 5th, 2016 at 1:45:46 PM permalink
Ah, another fellow professional keno player. Welcome!
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January 5th, 2016 at 4:18:14 PM permalink
Quote: TheGodGuy

Thank y'all for your comments
...Blackhawk...Ameristar...Gameking Keno machines...
I play a pick 3 at a nickel. Which pays 46 to 1...highest payout I have found in Black hawk/Central City for a pick 3.....If after 10 picks it hasn't touched any of the 3... I move on to the next machine....it seems to me the machines cycle somehow but I haven't figured it out. If it picks at least one then I will give it a few more tries....When it picks 2 of the three at least two times within 5 picks....I change to dollars....and it should pay within 5 picks....I ended up next to a lady the other day and she saw that the machine had paid....then she said..."Oh...it was only a pick 3." I replied; "Yes, but in these three machines in the last ten minutes...I've won $100.".... I didn't change to dollars fast enough on the middle machine.



IGT (Gameking manufacturer) is the biggest name in the business, and their keno games have been tested over and over again. If it were an unknown manufacturer, that would increase the likelihood of a real problem. Instead, I think you just have amazing luck, especially given that this paytable has a return of 91.58%.
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January 11th, 2016 at 6:53:10 AM permalink
I think we can all be confident you have just been lucky, if a component of your strategy is to move to another machine.
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