Craps: odds on come out roll

After a passline point has been made, Is there a math reason why I would not want my odds on a come bet working during the come out roll?

Personally I don't care if a 7 is supposed to be good or not, I see no reason why I should not have them working; I survived the "come out roll" for my come bet, now its point is on a nice 6 or 8 with full odds why would I not want it working? Those odds are one of the best bet on the table. If my number comes out I would have won!

Am i missing something?

thx

Is there a math reason NOT to work the comeout: "NO"
Are you missing something?

I would suggest that betting all of your action strictly on the pass line and the odds and not betting another come bet unless you have no other bets on the table.

But yes, work your odds on the come bets when it's the only bet you have. The dice don't know what roll it is.

You only need one bet to win. The don't pass is a better strategy if you want to place a line and a free bet and walk. Otherwise it doesn't matter much at all as the tips are the biggest cost not the edge.

GOOD LUCK!

As Ahigh said, there is not a mathematical reason to have your odds off. Actually, according to The Wizard, the math says to leave the odds on.

As you are aware, it is supposed to be good to roll a 7 on a come out roll which is a win for the pass line bets. Therefore, odds are off by default. While the goal of playing craps is likely to win money more than enjoy the camaraderie with other players, it can be uncomfortable to anguish in the loss of your money while others are cheering around you when a 7 comes. Anyone who plays the dark side is probably use to it.

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The player should always leave the odds on regardless of how many come bets are active. When considering the options, looking at the probability of winning alone is not enough. Yes, with one come bet the odds of losing the come bet are greater than winning, however the potential win is greater than potential loss. The reason the player should always leave the odds on are because it is a bet with zero house edge. By turning the odds off the player is making the overall game more heavily weighted towards the bets with a house edge, thus increasing the overall ratio of the expected loss to the total amount bet.
https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/odds-bets/

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How does the casino practice of calling established come bet odds "off" during the "come out" roll affect the house advantage, how is that computed, and how is the house advantage affected by leaving the odds on come bets turned on during come out rolls?
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Good question. For those who don’t understand the question, unless otherwise requested, odds on come out bets are not active on come out rolls. So if the player rolls a seven on a come out roll any come bets will lose and odds on come bets will be returned. Likewise if the player’s point on the come bet is rolled on the come out roll the come bet will win but the odds will push. The answer depends on how we define the house edge. If we define it as expected loss to total bets made then turning the odds off would not matter. This is because the player is still betting the odds and it still counts as a bet even if it is returned as a push. However if you define the house edge as expected loss to bets resolved then turning the odds off on a come out roll does indeed increase the house edge. I wrote a computer simulation to determine this effect. Assuming the player takes fives times odds then turning the odds off on come out rolls increases the ratio of losses to total bets resolved from 0.326% to 0.377%, or an increase of 0.051%. So if you want to maximize your return on bets resolved then leave those come odds turned on.
https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/probability/

If you believe in dice influence or control shooting or karma or fairytales, then you should leave the odds off. After all, during the course of a roll, people are trying to avoid the seven. So by default, they're trying to roll as many sevens as possible during to come out roll, to "get them out of their system."

But mathematically? No, no reason at all.

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If you believe in dice influence or control shooting or karma or fairytales, then you should leave the odds off. After all, during the course of a roll, people are trying to avoid the seven. So by default, they're trying to roll as many sevens as possible during to come out roll, to "get them out of their system."

But mathematically? No, no reason at all.

So if the guy by the stickman has a magic grip , call the odds off, got it :)

I thought that mathematically the 7 is more likely to appear on the come out roll, therefore odds should be off?

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I thought that mathematically the 7 is more likely to appear on the come out roll, therefore odds should be off?

Can't tell if srs.

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I thought that mathematically the 7 is more likely to appear on the come out roll, therefore odds should be off?

Have you ever had money on the passline during a come out roll? 7 never comes up. ;)

Oh I just found my answer many times over in the Wizard of odds FAQ, sorry I didn't see it before posting

It is actually better to leave them on because the initial come bet's house advantage is somewhat offset by placing odds on it. Turning off your odds you increase the house advantage on the bet.

He also mentions that it can break the mood because everyone is happy for a 7 but you, I'm a big boy , I can take it. I don't think people will get upset by me being happy for a point number being rolled since they loss nothing.

Thanks for all the responses.