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January 20th, 2015 at 9:07:00 PM permalink
I am hoping to better understand counting Dealer Outs.

In your Ultimate Texas Hold ’Em Strategy, you give an example for dealer outs for

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Quote: Counting Dealer Outs

For each rank on the board there are three more that can beat you. For example, if the dealer has the jack of hearts, diamonds, or spades he will pair up and beat you. So, 5×3=15 cards will give the dealer a hidden pair. Also, all four queens and aces will beat you. So, 15+8=23 cards will beat you. If the dealer has one of the three remaining tens, then you'll lose lose. That brings us to 26. You need to have less than 21 outs to stay in, so fold.



Would you elaborate on how the three remaining tens affect the dealer out count? It seems that if the dealer had a single ten and another card (4,3,2) then it would be a tie.
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January 21st, 2015 at 2:21:51 PM permalink
As you say the single outs are KJ865=15 (pairs) and AQ=8 (high-hand), but there are also double outs of 10-7, 10-9, 9-7, 7-4 that beat you; while 10-2 10-3 10-4 are ties.
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January 21st, 2015 at 2:47:19 PM permalink
Quote: rickhg12hs

Would you elaborate on how the three remaining tens affect the dealer out count? It seems that if the dealer had a single ten and another card (4,3,2) then it would be a tie.



Good question. In that case the winner would depend on the dealer's lower card. I've revised my example to not count a card as an out unless it will definitely beat you.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
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January 21st, 2015 at 2:49:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Good question. In that case the winner would depend on the dealer's lower card. I've revised my example to not count a card as an out unless it will definitely beat you.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.



Why not count them as partial outs? Like 50% or 25%. So 4 tens would be 2 outs or 1 out.
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January 21st, 2015 at 5:36:44 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

...I've revised my example to not count a card as an out unless it will definitely beat you.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.



Thank you.

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January 21st, 2015 at 5:37:40 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

Why not count them as partial outs? Like 50% or 25%. So 4 tens would be 2 outs or 1 out.


And along those lines, do I need to count 7-9 as a partial out? (7-9 makes a straight).
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January 21st, 2015 at 5:40:10 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

And along those lines, do I need to count 7-9 as a partial out? (7-9 makes a straight).



No cause its neglible.
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January 21st, 2015 at 5:41:48 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

No cause its neglible.



Ok. Suppose there's a 5-6-7 on board. Now a 3-4, a 4-8 and an 8-9 all make straights. Or suppose there are 3 spades on board. Is it still negligible?
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January 21st, 2015 at 5:46:44 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Ok. Suppose there's a 5-6-7 on board. Now a 3-4, a 4-8 and an 8-9 all make straights. Or suppose there are 3 spades on board. Is it still negligible?



That's probably worth counting as one out.
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January 21st, 2015 at 5:57:26 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

Why not count them as partial outs? Like 50% or 25%. So 4 tens would be 2 outs or 1 out.



Too complicated.

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And along those lines, do I need to count 7-9 as a partial out? (7-9 makes a straight).



Too complicated.
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January 21st, 2015 at 6:51:50 PM permalink
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Too complicated.


I'm thankful. :)
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