About Roulette
I don't think that kind of stuff is out of the relm of possibilities.
Either way, it's doubtful anyone who claims to beat roulette will actually backup any claims. Either they are A) cheating B) full of it and have nothing to show. Or C) they have something legitimate and wouldn't want to show anyone.
Quote: AxelWolfKeyser. Is always veg as to what he is talking about concerning roulette. I DON'T think he is talking about a betting system like Bob claims to have, perhaps he is refering to biased wheels, clocking or something like that.
I don't think that kind of stuff is out of the relm of possibilities.
Either way, it's doubtful anyone who claims to beat roulette will actually backup any claims. Either they are A) cheating B) full of it and have nothing to show. Or C) they have something legitimate and wouldn't want to show anyone.
On the "full of it" 1 thru 10 scale I rank dice influencers as an 8 and AP roullete players as a 9
Quote: waterandiceOh wait.... I forgot that he must play poker or be able to count cards.
Why 'he' instead of 'he or she'?
You automatically viewed poker and blackjack as men's games.
If there was a 'Quien es mas macho?' poll as 1BB suggested, those games and craps would get most of the votes, if anyone even bothered to participate.
Quote: waterandiceLet an "experienced" gambler present his work. Oh wait.... I forgot that he must play poker or be able to count cards.
Counting cards is adding and subtracting 1, repeatedly. The average 3rd grader could learn to do it, as could an above-average 2nd grader. (REKO or KO)
Most video poker has a better return than roulette (you generally have to be playing something worse than 6/5 JoB to be worse than roulette). I see a lot of experienced gamblers playing video poker.
Quote: DieterCounting cards is adding and subtracting 1, repeatedly. The average 3rd grader could learn to do it, as could an above-average 2nd grader. (REKO or KO)
You make it sound so simple. Of course anyone can "learn" the fundamentals of how to do it, but actually implementing this at a casino to give yourself an edge on the game is a different story. It is an entirely different skill that requires tons of dedication. The game of basketball has a simple concept as well that a 3rd grader could learn.... you just gotta put the ball in the hoop.
"I see a lot of experienced gamblers playing video poker."
So, I couldn't play it because I'm not experienced right?
Quote: waterandiceYou make it sound so simple. ... but actually implementing this at a casino to give yourself an edge on the game is a different story. It is an entirely different skill that requires tons of dedication.
Yes. Dieter's right. The skill of counting is a doddle and the hardest bit is maintaining speed and accuracy in what might be a distracting environment. I can manage the basics in a real casino after a few weeks practice. But boy is it mind crushingly boring. For a tiny edge and a roller-coaster bankroll, it demands dedication, a high initial bankroll and impecable money management ( read that as discipline). A card counter that I encountered and who I believe had a bankroll of several tens of thousands, managed to play at my favoured online BJ for about 2 months. Either he got booted, got bored, or got bankrupted, because I no longer see him there. I suspect he overstretched his bankrol and busted out.https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/19010-just-spotted-my-first-proper-counter/#post380356
Quote: michael99000On the "full of it" 1 thru 10 scale I rank dice influencers as an 8 and AP roullete players as a 9
That's why I like roulette. Playing the game is it's own best cover.
I suspect, though, that Bob Nercessian would disagree with you.
By the way, it's roulette...not "roullete".
Quote: waterandice"I see a lot of experienced gamblers playing video poker."
So, I couldn't play it because I'm not experienced right?
I think you should give video poker a try. I think your chances will be better than roulette.
As compared to card counting, there's minimal risk of getting 86'd, and compared to live poker (hold'em, omaha, etc), there's less skill required. (It's just you against the odds, not you against the odds and someone who has better skill bluffing).
Quote: OnceDearThe skill of counting is a doddle... But boy is it mind crushingly boring.
Some people consider poker to be mind crushingly boring, too.
Quote: DieterI think you should give video poker a try. I think your chances will be better than roulette.
AP roulette is beyond the reach of most gambler's, since the player needs to own and have experience with the equipment in order to successfully exploit it.
Quote: Dieterthink you should give video poker a try. I think your chances will be better than roulette.
As compared to card counting, there's minimal risk of getting 86'd, and compared to live poker (hold'em, omaha, etc), there's less skill required. (It's just you against the odds, not you against the odds and someone who has better skill bluffing).
I agree. You'll likely win far more playing poker, AP slots, or bingo than you will counting cards. Besides, I'm sure the El Cortez staff is tired of hearing young gamblers, wearing dark sunglasses, yell, "Winner winner chicken dinner!" Each time they win their ten dollar bet.
Quote: DieterSome people consider poker to be mind crushingly boring, too.
Sadly, that makes sense. I'm still learning poker, but I guess any game or process that requires lots of our time and dedication for a very modest (potential) percentage advantage would be as boring as a data entry job.
Quote: DieterSome people consider poker to be mind crushingly boring, too.
Every casino game is mind numbingly
boring it you play it as an AP. These
are games designed for the simplest
among us, if you have a game that's
too complicated nobody will play it.
There's no casino chess..
Quote: KeyserAP roulette is beyond the reach of most gambler's since the player needs to own and have experience with the equipment in order to successfully exploit it.
I can believe that for both roulette and craps (dice may be cheap, but the tables aren't).
Card counting, on the other hand, has a reasonably low cost of entry. A practice kit for your kitchen table can be put together for under $100.
I don't believe that you need to practice most machine plays at home to make them work. If you really want to, videopoker.com will give you a chance to familiarize yourself with the game mechanics, and vpfree2.com will start you off on analyzing paytables.
Quote: OnceDearSadly, that makes sense. I'm still learning poker, but I guess any game or process that requires lots of our time and dedication for a very modest (potential) percentage advantage would be as boring as a data entry job.
The reason poker bores me is that it's essentially two people pushing money back and forth between them, with the house extracting a rake every time.
I find it more interesting to take money from an institutional opponent than an individual opponent.
Of course, if I had the opportunity to offer games, I'd be darn sure to offer live poker (cash & tournaments). Zero risk, and I still have a house edge.
Quote: DieterThe reason poker bores me is that it's essentially two people pushing money back and forth between them, with the house extracting a rake every time.
I find it more interesting to take money from an institutional opponent than an individual opponent.
Of course, if I had the opportunity to offer games, I'd be darn sure to offer live poker (cash & tournaments). Zero risk, and I still have a house edge.
I just hate taking money from other people in general. Even if they are risking it themselves. It'd be different if it was a tournament that was set up at a local friends house that is only risking $50 to have a good time in the process.
