AxelWolf
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December 1st, 2014 at 12:56:37 AM permalink
Quote: RS

It would never be worth it, IMO.

Either the amount is so little, it'd be stupid to get caught swooping in on it. Like say, getting caught stealing a pack of gum at a store. Chances are you won't get caught, but if you do, well that's not good. And who cares about a pack of gum?

Or the amount is so large, there's a good chance you're going to get caught. Would be like trying to steal a big bottle of Grey Goose from a store. Good chance you're gonna get caught.



Of course, you have to put weight on how bad it'll be if you get caught. If you're an AP (or regular player) and don't want to get 86'd from a casino (or chain) that you frequent, then you really really don't want to get caught. If you're in a store that you're never going to be in again, then the issue of getting caught goes down, since you don't care if you get kicked out.

If you're a homeless guy who doesn't care what happens, then ok, stealing the credits will be more "worth it" for him, since he doesn't care if he gets 86'd or anything.


But most of all, I don't want to take another person's money. Be and let be.

It's never getting back to that person. The right thing to do is turn it into security so they can buy dinner that night.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
rxwine
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December 1st, 2014 at 12:58:42 AM permalink
Unless one of you APs has a team of bums surfing machines for credits, I've never saw anyone who I thought was making any serious money at it. In fact, I specifically remember the same guy eating someone's leftovers from a food court trashcan.

Now there was a guy I met in Vegas who told me he rode his bicycle through fast thru drive ups stomping on loose change with duct tape on his feet.

Guys raiding the fountains for loose change have been featured on COPS.

People try all kinds of things.
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DrawingDead
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December 1st, 2014 at 3:23:01 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Now there was a guy I met in Vegas who told me he rode his bicycle through fast thru drive ups stomping on loose change with duct tape on his feet.

Just when I start to fool myself into thinking I've got a pretty definitive collection of very Vegas scam, scoundrel, scuffler, angle-shooter & hustler tales, somebody hands me a new one.

cc: hustler file, emergency retirement contingency plans
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Boz
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December 1st, 2014 at 4:52:51 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser

It's true that there are very few people actively watching the actual casino floor, however, your rant is, well, just a rant. I know a guy that was 86d for "silver mining". Meaning collecting the slot tickets left behind. It happened to him at NYNY, on the strip in LV.




He didn't get busted with the cash in his car on the way home, did he? Sorry, I had to say it :)
mickeycrimm
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December 1st, 2014 at 6:18:29 AM permalink
Hustling credits was my first gig in the gambling world. I learned the trade in 1992 and continued to do it until 1996. I specifically thumbed into Laughlin in Oct. 1996, with 99 cents in my pocket, to credit hunt the town. Within a couple of hours of my arrival I was told by another credit hustler that, although he didn't know how they were doing it, the locals were beating a slot game called Piggy Bankin'. He showed me the bank of machines and I used powers of observation to figure out how they were doing it. After I had credit hustled a $20 bankroll I put my first play down on a quarter Piggy Bankin' with 65 coins in the bank and was off to the races. A couple of days later I had $300 and a hotel room. I limped on off with it from there. I've been a machine pro ever since.

Has everything been honky dory ever since. Well, there were a couple of times I almost went broke. But I snapped out of it just in time. I was overplaying my bankroll. A lack of discipline almost took me down. Lesson learned.

So where am I at 18 years later? I tell people that I'm not rich but I'm not broke. I don't live extravagantly. The rent, utilities and groceries run me about $1100 a month. I could go several years without working if I wanted to. But I don't like dipping into my savings. I like to pay current bills with current money earned. And I like to sock away more money for old age-not retirement-old age. There is absolutely no reason for me to retire. What am I supposed to do? If I see a $50 play for 20 minutes seat time am I supposed to say to myself "I'm retired so I'm not gonna pick that money off?" No, I'm gonna sit down and pick the money off.

I wound up in gambling because I had pretty much painted myself into a corner in life. Gambling has been my saviour. I still get to be my non-conformist self. I don't like punching someone else's clock. I don't like taking orders from anyone. About the most authority I allow in my life is letting WoV mods boss me around. And as you have all seen, I'm not even very good at that.
"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
Dieter
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December 1st, 2014 at 7:37:58 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

I'm gonna sit down and pick the money off.



As usual, that's a beautiful sentiment.

To picking off the money... (raise a glass)
May the cards fall in your favor.
kewlj
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December 1st, 2014 at 7:53:43 AM permalink
I love reading about your past, Mickeycrimm. Where can I buy the book of the life and times of mickeycrimm? Lol.

I am fascinated by the low limits, low level, advantage plays being discussed. I realize many are things of the past, but there are always new situations popping up if you keep your eyes open. I, personally am not looking to expand my machine play type AP activities. I concentrate on the good old fashion method of card counting the Keyser thinks is a big waste of time. That makes up the majority of how I support myself. I have a partner that I have relegated all our machine play activities to and not really looking to increase that part of our program, but I still find it all very interesting.
mickeycrimm
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December 1st, 2014 at 10:31:58 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I love reading about your past, Mickeycrimm. Where can I buy the book of the life and times of mickeycrimm? Lol.

I am fascinated by the low limits, low level, advantage plays being discussed. I realize many are things of the past, but there are always new situations popping up if you keep your eyes open. I, personally am not looking to expand my machine play type AP activities. I concentrate on the good old fashion method of card counting the Keyser thinks is a big waste of time. That makes up the majority of how I support myself. I have a partner that I have relegated all our machine play activities to and not really looking to increase that part of our program, but I still find it all very interesting.



kewlj, I find your gambling world to be fascinating too. I avoided blackjack because of what I perceived as a short shelf life. But its fascinating to read how a real pro does it and continues to get away with it.

I'm leaving on about a two week road trip tomorrow. I haven't hit a lick at a snake for almost two months. Time to go make some money. But it will be short and sweet and I'll be back home to lay around through Christmas and New Year's.

I'll start a thread today on the accumulator slots. There were lots of different types back in the day. I won't be able to finish it up until I get back home. You might find it interestingthough. Take care.
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December 5th, 2014 at 9:33:29 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

Hustling credits was my first gig in the gambling world. I learned the trade in 1992 and continued to do it until 1996. I specifically thumbed into Laughlin in Oct. 1996, with 99 cents in my pocket, to credit hunt the town. Within a couple of hours of my arrival I was told by another credit hustler that, although he didn't know how they were doing it, the locals were beating a slot game called Piggy Bankin'. He showed me the bank of machines and I used powers of observation to figure out how they were doing it. After I had credit hustled a $20 bankroll I put my first play down on a quarter Piggy Bankin' with 65 coins in the bank and was off to the races. A couple of days later I had $300 and a hotel room. I limped on off with it from there. I've been a machine pro ever since.

Has everything been honky dory ever since. Well, there were a couple of times I almost went broke. But I snapped out of it just in time. I was overplaying my bankroll. A lack of discipline almost took me down. Lesson learned.

So where am I at 18 years later? I tell people that I'm not rich but I'm not broke. I don't live extravagantly. The rent, utilities and groceries run me about $1100 a month. I could go several years without working if I wanted to. But I don't like dipping into my savings. I like to pay current bills with current money earned. And I like to sock away more money for old age-not retirement-old age. There is absolutely no reason for me to retire. What am I supposed to do? If I see a $50 play for 20 minutes seat time am I supposed to say to myself "I'm retired so I'm not gonna pick that money off?" No, I'm gonna sit down and pick the money off.

I wound up in gambling because I had pretty much painted myself into a corner in life. Gambling has been my saviour. I still get to be my non-conformist self. I don't like punching someone else's clock. I don't like taking orders from anyone. About the most authority I allow in my life is letting WoV mods boss me around. And as you have all seen, I'm not even very good at that.



You are much valued here, mickey, and this post says a lot about why. Have a good and productive trip.
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marry8
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December 24th, 2014 at 6:22:20 PM permalink
Maybe being a pro gambler can earn a lot of money, but that's fickle, for most cases, a gambler is hard to become a top one, then he may lose all of his fortune. Life is so great now for me, so I won't give up my life now to become a pro gambler :D
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