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onenickelmiracle
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August 31st, 2014 at 2:08:11 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Okay, I will concede that the casino mathematically will lose the same if not less than if they just allowed it.

However I disagree that they don't quake in their boots over it regardless of whether its rational or not.

I once bet a $20 match-play on Player while my friend bet $30 on Banker. Guaranteed profit. Together the two of us had six coupons. The bus rebate was for three apiece. (My actual AP maneuver was something different and I didn't want to "lose" it back due to variance so I chose this small guarantee maneuver).

Normally I would switch seats after each one but this place was packed and it took us half-an-hour to just get two seats at the same table.

On the third go-around, the dealer stated we couldn't bet against each other with the match-play up. We both feigned that we didn't know each other and any person can make any bet they'd like. We hadn't spoken to each other but due to the crowds we had sat down together but either way, the dealer wasn't going to allow it.

We refused to remove our bets so the dealer called security and then shut the table down. BTW - he must have had about four or five hundred bucks in bets up that he said could not be played till we removed our wagers which would have netted us $10 or less.

So we removed them and went over to SIc Bo where we played them anyway.

BUt casinos most certainly do quake in their boots whether its logical for them to do so or not.

It's still logical even if based on psychology and not the math. This matters to the casino wanting people to make decisions. Happy comfortable people don't gamble and they'll do what they can get away with to make sure people aren't psychologically comfortable.
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AxelWolf
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August 31st, 2014 at 5:30:08 AM permalink
OMG...

Casinos are not boot quaking over $20 match plays. You bet, if a high roller came in with 1 crappy little match play coupon, they would cut in half and place off setting bets for him.

They don't like coupon hustlers collecting free money and walking out the door. Since normal gamblers don't even think of making off setting bets. They assume everyone doing it, is a hustler.

They want GAMBLERS who are willing to risk money. They know the psychology behind gambling. People often case losses and lock up wins.

IE. a ploppy is meeting friends for dinner. He has a match play coupon along with is 1/2 price buffet. To kill some time he plays a MP. If he wins(enough for dinner and tip) he is more likely to just head to the buffet and wait for is friends. If he loses, he might buy in for $100 and chase his losses. If he locks up money 100% of the time, he is never going to chase.

Speaking of buffet and match play coupons. Slots of fun used to have fun books with match plays ($1 or $2 can't exactly remember) all the coupons looked pretty much the same. Hustler Jack probably played 30 a day ( always asking for a few bucks to play them). When he ran out of match plays for the day, he would pull a move and slyly use the $1 off buffet coupons. Most of the time they didn't notice.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxiomOfChoice
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August 31st, 2014 at 12:03:14 PM permalink
That is because they are stupid.
mickeycrimm
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August 31st, 2014 at 1:24:42 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Speaking of buffet and match play coupons. Slots of fun used to have fun books with match plays ($1 or $2 can't exactly remember) all the coupons looked pretty much the same. Hustler Jack probably played 30 a day ( always asking for a few bucks to play them). When he ran out of match plays for the day, he would pull a move and slyly use the $1 off buffet coupons. Most of the time they didn't notice.



That wouldn't be Cincinnatti Jack, would it?
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AxelWolf
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September 1st, 2014 at 12:37:41 AM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

That wouldn't be Cincinnatti Jack, would it?

Lots of hustler jacks unfortunately(not short stack Jack) . Last name I think was Doyal. He started long before I did. He also did the Slot card points mining thing.

The guy was drugged out most of the time and lived in abandon buildings often. He actually knew his stuff and was fairly intelligent, the drugs got him. Sometimes he would have tons of cash and other times he would need a dollar to eat.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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