rouleete max bet

two nights ago while placing chips at the roulette table I put a $100.00 black chip on the courtesy line for 0-00. the dealer picked it up, tossed it back to me, waved his arm and said "no more bets". the ball landed in 00. I inquired, he said max bet is $75.00.. i was upset. he called the pit boss over and the pb sided with the dealer. the max wager was/is posted on a card on the table near the wheel. $75.00. okay, at least i didn't lose the black chip. i played two more spins and walked away a couple of hundred ahead. but now i'm thinking if max bet is $75.00 and i placed a $100.00 chip on the courtesy line for splitting the 0-00 wouldn't that be $50.00 on each the 0 and the 00?
side notes: the spin previous to the one in question i won $425.00 and the dealer paid me with black chips. took place in Laughlin. was having good day/night. I've never bet that much on a single spin before that night. i play there a lot. the dealers, supervisors and i all know each other and get along.

with the state of mind i was in by not having just won $1800.00 i didn't think of the split-max bet-$100.00 in half is less than $75.00 argument. until now; roughly 38 hours later.

i would appreciate some thoughts, insight, clarity. thanx, fpod

A lot of times, you can't wager with chips that are denominated over the table max even if it's a split wager that would otherwise be possible. That said, unless you were leaving, the dealer should never have paid you in black. It makes you less likely to re-bet and lose back the money you just won.

Pretty tacky but as noted perhaps they don't allow denomination over the max. Presumably you could have bet 4 greens to get the same difference. Win should be 17:1 = $1700.

Most max bets at Roulette I've seen are $200. Where was this grind joint anyway?

Courtesy line is a split bet.
"Split" bets are separate bets from "straight up" bets.

We cannot have our cake and eat it, too.
If you wanted to consider your $100 split bet as "two straight bets", then the house could justifiably say that $75 dollars straight up on "0" in conjunction with $75 on the "0-00" split exceeds table limits (with your logic, your straight bet on the "0" would then be $112.50).

Usually the call would be "accepted up to max bet limit"... then the determination is made: How much did you bet, how much of it will be accepted as a bet and how much will be returned to you, but this is from my experience at Craps, not roulette. It often happens at a craps table that the crew have no desire to slow down the dice. So if anyone plops down a "barber's pole" of chips on a certain bet, the box or the stick will call out this precautionary warning that basically translates "when the dice stop and we are going to count those chips and allow whatever is allowable, but only up to the understood limits."

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Usually the call would be "accepted up to max bet limit"... then the determination is made: How much did you bet, how much of it will be accepted as a bet and how much will be returned to you, but this is from my experience at Craps, not roulette. It often happens at a craps table that the crew have no desire to slow down the dice. So if anyone plops down a "barber's pole" of chips on a certain bet, the box or the stick will call out this precautionary warning that basically translates "when the dice stop and we are going to count those chips and allow whatever is allowable, but only up to the understood limits."

I agree that this practice is customary, and I will add that it has traditionally extended to all table games, not just craps.
With that in mind, we should remember that rulings, policies, and procedures are always at the mercy of the "powers that be".
Here is an example:

My sister lives in northern Indiana, and I usually try to hit the various "riverboat" casinos up there when I visit her.
I was playing Blackjack at the Horseshoe in Hammond, and one of the other players was betting the table maximum.
During previous visits, the dealer callout was always something like "take or pay to table max", the hand was dealt, and the bet settled after the hand. (If the bet won, it was paid up to the maximum; if the bet lost, only the maximum amount was taken.)
On this latest visit, the dealer actually had to break down the bet prior to dealing the hand and prove that it did not exceed the table maximum.
I asked a supervisor about this, and she stated that one of their sister properties in the southern portion of the state had an unfavorable ruling against them.
Apparently, a player had placed a $50k bet whenever the max was $15k. The bet won, and the player felt that since the house allowed the bet in the first place, he should be paid the full amount. The player appealed to the gaming commission, and the commission ruled in his favor.
Because of this ridiculous ruling, all of the casinos in that state now prove the bets are within table limits before action continues.

Disclaimer: I do not know if this was an actual occurrence, the accuracy of her statement, or if the supervisor was using it as an excuse. But I do know that even properties not related to each other seem to follow this same procedure on all table games.

not sure what you mean. there was just one black $100.00 chip. theoretically(I think) it could have been split 60/40, 30/70 etc. my other chips were green $25.00 placed inside and 19-36. I don't see $112.50.
it happened quickly once the dealer noticed the black chip. there was no communication until he tossed it backed and ball landed in 00.

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thanx. I've tossed chips towards dealer and called various numbers and he/she would place them for me. sometimes after the ball has landed. I understand the craps side . happens all the time. more so on crowded tables. but this was placed by me. he called "no more bets" immediately after he grabbed my chip and tossed it back.
I would have liked the payoff but I am just wondering if $100.00 placed on split courtesy line over the table max bet. I have played hundreds of times thru the years and have always been paid @ 17 to 1. by the way I didn't do this intentionally. I didn't know the max was $75.00. thanx again

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theoretically(I think) it could have been split 60/40, 30/70 etc. my other chips were green $25.00 placed inside and 19-36. I don't see $112.50.
it happened quickly once the dealer noticed the black chip. there was no communication until he tossed it backed and ball landed in 00.

No, two number bets are 17:1. Given you were betting green inside it boils down to poor treatment by the pit IMNSHO.

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Usually the call would be "accepted up to max bet limit"... then the determination is made: How much did you bet, how much of it will be accepted as a bet and how much will be returned to you, but this is from my experience at Craps, not roulette. It often happens at a craps table that the crew have no desire to slow down the dice. So if anyone plops down a "barber's pole" of chips on a certain bet, the box or the stick will call out this precautionary warning that basically translates "when the dice stop and we are going to count those chips and allow whatever is allowable, but only up to the understood limits."

Yeah, I have had that happen at craps a lot too (usually with odds bets). Pretty poor customer service, I would hope that they would pay him based on a $75 bet, and return the $25 in additional action that was not accepted.

When someone has overbet that I've seen, the house paid the winnings up to the max bet and threw the overbet back. My personal opinion is that you were robbed. But my personal opinion also means squadouche, since I'm not the house. Pity for sure that you didn't get paid.

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When someone has overbet that I've seen, the house paid the winnings up to the max bet and threw the overbet back. My personal opinion is that you were robbed. But my personal opinion also means squadouche, since I'm not the house. Pity for sure that you didn't get paid.

That's the same thing I've seen. I thought he should have been given $25 back and paid based on a $75 bet.

I would've viewed it as equivalent to two 50$ bets on 0 and 00, each. Now, at least the chip was returned before the number came up, otherwise this had the potential to become even more fun... Alternatively, return the overbet and book it to the max.

The last time I saw an overbet was at craps, where somebody put a 500$ horn that got booked, presumably at 125 each. A 12 came up. Table limits there were 150 3/11 and 100 2/12. Everybody sort of froze up when one of the dealers pointed out the problem with bet limits. The manager came over, looked at it, and said to pay out according to the limits.

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two nights ago while placing chips at the roulette table I put a $100.00 black chip on the courtesy line for 0-00. the dealer picked it up, tossed it back to me, waved his arm and said "no more bets". the ball landed in 00. I inquired, he said max bet is $75.00..

My understanding is that there are different limits for different bets in roulette which are all usually displayed on a board.
The limits are usually for the following combinations which are feasible: 1 number, 2 numbers, 3 numbers, 4 numbers, 6 numbers, 12 numbers and 18 numbers.
Usually are around a mutiple of each, ie 2 numbers limit double than single number.
Was the $100 the limit for a Single number of for 2 numbers bet?

Varies from store to store. Some stores the max aggregate payout is set to some number (ie: Max agg payout $5,000). In this case, you can bet whatever/however you want, assuming your payout doesn't exceed $5,000.

Other stores just say the max bet is $X {say $75}. This means you can put $75 straight up, $75 on each split, $75 on each corner, and $75 on each "3-way things". So, you can end up wagering a whole bunch of money on a single number because of splits n whatnot...but you are not allowed to bet more than $75 on any bet at a time (ie: Even on the 6-way bets, you cannot bet $100).


Bottom line: You should have bet $50 0 and $50 00.

The rule of thumb at my casino is that table max is "any way to a number," so that $100 chip would exceed table max on a 0/00 split the same as it would on a single number, a line bet, or anything else on the inside.

That said, I would have called table max and paid accordingly, and with that size of a payout, I would have had to get my floor involved anyway.