cynthben
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:50:35 AM permalink
My friend and I were playing at a slot machine and she put the money in and I pushed the button. Legally, who wins?
treetopbuddy
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:55:01 AM permalink
how much money are we talking about here?
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March 23rd, 2014 at 9:46:44 AM permalink
Quote: cynthben

My friend and I were playing at a slot machine and she put the money in and I pushed the button. Legally, who wins?



You would. The casino will pay whoever is touching the buttons.
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March 23rd, 2014 at 10:36:53 AM permalink
What happens if some nutjob walking by hits the spin button on my machine while I'm playing it? He's obviously not getting the payout.
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March 30th, 2014 at 12:43:37 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

What happens if some nutjob walking by hits the spin button on my machine while I'm playing it? He's obviously not getting the payout.



He gets a biggest douche in the universe award
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March 30th, 2014 at 7:50:00 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

What happens if some nutjob walking by hits the spin button on my machine while I'm playing it? He's obviously not getting the payout.



If he is trying to play without your permission then what he is doing is stealing. It's no different then if you were at the blackjack table and someone took one of your greens to put into a betting circle. The casino would pay you the prize.
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March 30th, 2014 at 8:03:21 AM permalink
Quote: cynthben

My friend and I were playing at a slot machine and she put the money in and I pushed the button. Legally, who wins?



There has been a story going around for years about a father and his son at Binion's Horseshoe. I don't know if it's just urban legend or whatever. It's the faather's money but the kid is sitting in his father's lap and hitting the button. He hit a big jackpot. Who won? The father or the son? Nobody won. They wouldn't award the jackpot because the kid was a minor. I have no way of validating whether this story is true or not.
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March 30th, 2014 at 8:12:17 AM permalink
Two guys go to AC. One of them is playing the progressive slots and down to his last quarter. He needs two more quarter to play max coins. His friend puts in the two quarters and they hit the jackpot.

Who won the jackpot?

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March 30th, 2014 at 8:44:14 AM permalink
This happened recently at Casino Pauma-- one woman was playing, she got up to go to the bathroom, her friend took over. She hit a handpay, but due to some technicality, they refused to pay. I'll look for details later.

Edit: Aha, here we are: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/jul/18/casino-bans-sisters-in-law-for-life-after-they/

Filtered for relevancy...

"Laura Waters went to get some franks for the two of them. Her card was in a Super 8 Race slot machine, and Jill Waters took her sister-in-laws place in front of it. ... Jackpot. $2,000. ... Fifteen minutes went by before a security agent approached the women and asked who pushed the winning jackpot button, the sisters-in-law remembered. ... A Friday visit to the casino led to a short interview with security supervisor Jacob, who declined to give his last name. He said the rules are straightforward: Whoever pushes the button is the jackpot winner. If someone else tries to claim the winnings, its considered tax evasion and money laundering under Title 31 of the United States Code."
darkoz
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March 30th, 2014 at 9:11:59 AM permalink
At my local casino they use the person who pushed the button as the winner for tax purposes but both people are considered in a financial partnership.

It works the same if there is machine damage.

I have a friend (and no its not me as everyone keeps accusing me of) who was playing E-roulette with someone else. They both put money into the machine and after a few spins my friend left to go to the bathroom. While he was away, the other guy got pissed and slammed his fist through the glass of the machine.

My friend argued that he had nothing to do with that, he wasn't even around when it happened but they told him they had them both on camera inserting money into the machine so it was a financial partnership and both men were responsible for paying the damages.

They personally didn't care who or how. Both men were banned until the machine was paid for.
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darkoz
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March 30th, 2014 at 9:15:13 AM permalink
MickeyCrimm said:
"There has been a story going around for years about a father and his son at Binion's Horseshoe. I don't know if it's just urban legend or whatever. It's the faather's money but the kid is sitting in his father's lap and hitting the button. He hit a big jackpot. Who won? The father or the son? Nobody won. They wouldn't award the jackpot because the kid was a minor. I have no way of validating whether this story is true or not. "

I heard that story too but it wasn't at Binions. I heard it was at the airport on the way back from their vacation. There are slots in the airport in Vegas and the kid was bothering his dad to take a spin. He finally gave a fiver and the kid hit the jackpot. The father ran over and yanked the kid out the seat and sat down.

That's the way I heard it told. It seemed more credible than Binions allowing a kid to sit on his dads lap while he plays at the slots.
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March 30th, 2014 at 9:39:47 AM permalink
Refusing to pay probably happens a lot and has likely happened at every casino. We were playing slots at the Flamingo and a man and his daughter were playing on adjacent machines behind us. She hit a hand pay and they immediately switched places. When they came to pay the suits were with them and asked for the daughters ID. She was under age and they refused to pay since they had checked the tapes and knew she had 'pulled the handle'. This was pre button days.
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May 13th, 2014 at 11:27:52 PM permalink
Whoever spins wins the jackpot. More interesting would be when two people hit the button same time or if someone abandoned a high limit slot bonus and someone else hits the button to start the feature.
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:04:35 AM permalink
It should be who has majority control over the machine. Example: I put the money in and im sitting in the seat. My friend stands on the side of me and spins the button once or twice for fun. He hits a Jackpot, obviously this should go to me. If im sitting on a machine and my friend leans over and spins for 30 min while I kick back and watch, I would have to think this is now his Jackpot.


Factors should include: Who put the money in. Who is sitting on the machine. who is hitting the buttons. Who has been playing the machine prior to the jackpot.

If its a close call then the casino should split the jackpot, make 2 different tax forms and refer them to the courts.

I was under the impression casinos are obligated to separate winnings and tax forms on request using something like a 5754 form or whatever use now.

What do they use when people make a deal on Poker tournaments?
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