Struggling with if I really beat such large odds or if someting is afoot:

First time in Vegas early Sunday morning 27 January 2013 I with the significant other. We are both first time at playing craps but during play only three players at the table and as I was the shooter I was baffled by rolling snake eyes, box cars, then snake eyes twice. Mind you were not making accusations but I feel after the fact and correct me if I'm wrong but are the odds on this close to 1 and 1.6 million. And is there a slight possability something might be amiss, please cross examine.

the odds might be slim if you were to say i am going to roll 2, 12, 2, 2, in that order, in 4 rolls, before you start rolling.

but if you add up all the different ways you could roll results that feel "strange" to you after the fact, suddenly it's not so rare.

rolling 4 craps in a row is nothing unusual and i highly doubt the casino switched in tees to take out you and the two other players early this sunday morning.

For further illustration, flip a coin 20 times in a row and record your result. Whatever you happened to get, it was a million to 1 against that particular sequence. But that was before you started flipping.

Nah, I see it all the time...
As a matter fact, I love it when it happens, cuz I bet hi-lo and press it...so I'd of made a killing...$5 -> $10 -> $20 -> $40!!!

Quote: sodawater

the odds might be slim if you were to say i am going to roll 2, 12, 2, 2, in that order, in 4 rolls, before you start rolling.

This is the only way this is going to be 1 in 1.6 million.

Bibo would have wrote the same post if he saw 12, 2, 12, 12; 2, 2, 12, 2; 12, 12, 2, 12; etc. rolled.

Also those odds are only for exactly 4 rolls. Did you play four rolls and quit? The longer you play, the more likely this will happen.

Agree not unusual. The other day, I just told a guy I rarely roll boxcars, then I rolled boxcars three times in a row. I think it was Tuesday at Fiesta Henderson, and Orval was dealing.

It's part of what makes craps such a fun game. There is a winning bet for every single roll. If you do a full parlay from $1 and know the exact rolls that are going to happen, the lowest paying bet assuming you know what is going to happen elevates your bankroll by 16 times it's starting place.

16x
256x
2048x
65536x
1048576x

So it only takes five rolls of knowledge and betting the best bet to get from $1 to a million dollars. If you look back at the previous five rolls, and thought "I really knew those five rolls were going to happen" and had a dollar, you could do really well.

Quote: biboveralls

... And is there a slight possability[sic] something might be amiss,..

No.
Unless someone, will not name names, were slobbering heavily on the dice before you tossed them.
Not much worse than human saliva on a nice set of casino dice.

How many rolls total did you have and what were they, would you say?
You can have pencil and notepaper at the table, keep it down and on the shelf, to document these type of events.

I rolled snake eyes 3x in a row one evening....... And then the next day I did the same thing with boxcars. Kinda weird being that close to eachother lol

Like Timespeed I like this bet( I know Wiz terrible house edge )but only on the comeout. My three way hi-lo parlay piggyback would have been nice for me the dealers and you.Welcome to the forum and gl always.

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I rolled snake eyes 3x in a row one evening....... And then the next day I did the same thing with boxcars. Kinda weird being that close to eachother lol

Three weeks ago, I rolled snake eyes three times in a row and I thought it was pretty unusual. Then I saw someone else do it at the same table just 20 minutes later.

These things do happen!

The first thing that happens that is unusual is any pair. It would have been equally interesting no matter which pair came up to me.

That happens every six rolls.

After that, the same pair happening again twice is 1/(36*36) or 1/1296. The total unusual event is 1 in 7776. So at 100 roll an hour it happens about every 77 hours or once every three days at a full-pace play rate.

The exact pair happens 1/6th as often or about every 20 days at full play rate. But I saw it happen again in 20 minutes.

So the chance of it happening again exactly the same way twice in 20 minutes is really remote. And I saw that.

It still is just random though. I understand the thinking that it might mean something. And I go through this same thinking myself.

That is a big part of what makes the game fun thinking this kind of stuff and getting a chance to bet real money on it.

Good luck and HAVE FUN!!!

The odds of rolling 3 hi-lows in a row (in any fashion) is 5,832:1 after hitting the 1st one.

I once rolled 11 four times in a row.
And, on another occasion, I rolled 2,11,12,3 in a row, to hit the horn cycle, as the dealer called it.

Life roll my die change this life ( so it goes THE VERVE ). what a life altering parlay that would have been.

Earlier this month I rolled boxcars my first 4 rolls at the table. Never bet them and didn't this time. The really strange part was that I had a dream a few weeks before about betting boxcars. It was my birthday though which is later this year, 66, and I was playing them at midnight. Hit 3 in a row in the dream with a bet progression of $100, $200, $500. Would be a nice win. I never play the inside so I am not sure if you can even make a $500 midnight bet at most casinos?

Quote: RaleighCraps

I once rolled 11 four times in a row.

I rolled 3 11s in a row on the comeout while playinf the Dark Side. ON another trip, I rolled 3, 11, 3, 12 on the comeout at Rapid Craps. It would be odd not to have such odd roles at all.

And in my opinion, (the) Baltimore (Ravens) must be destroyed.

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Quote: boymimbo

The odds of rolling 3 hi-lows in a row (in any fashion) is 5,832:1 after hitting the 1st one.

Best way to look at it, and there's nothing amiss about one in 6000.

I'd be more interested in seeing just how many of these 4x Hi-Los had somebody parlay it AND take it off at the right time...

Quote: kenarman

I never play the inside so I am not sure if you can even make a $500 midnight bet at most casinos?

Almost every Strip property would be happy (with good reason) to take your midnight action. So, may your Happy Birthday dreams come true!

Right. The true odds of getting a hi-lo four in a row is 104,876:1 (18^4). Your payout on such a bet is about 50K. Any casino would take that action.

Quote: boymimbo

The odds of rolling 3 hi-lows in a row (in any fashion) is 5,832:1 after hitting the 1st one.

How did you get there? Shoudn't it be 36*36?

Quote: bbvk05

How did you get there? Shoudn't it be 36*36?

18*18. Hi-Los are 2/36, since they're 2 AND 12... Though there does seem to be an extra *18 in there.

Quote: Ayecarumba

Almost every Strip property would be happy (with good reason) to take your midnight action. So, may your Happy Birthday dreams come true!

While that is good I hope I need that limit as I expect to be in Vegas staying on the strip for my birthday.

Quote: Venthus

18*18. Hi-Los are 2/36, since they're 2 AND 12... Though there does seem to be an extra *18 in there.

Ah, I was looking at snake eyes or box cars 3 times in a row.

For me it is mind boggling that one question gets so many replies, and I do appreciate the responses.
But as a first time player you just can’t be expected to know it all. And, from what I understand being male, announcing table virginity, is not considered to be lucky. At any rate as I look back on it and from the craps advice that I’ve read and the events of the day, I am starting to connect the dots.

But here is what rolled out: Significant other revealed her first time at the game as an excuse to a certain betting mistake pointed out by the dealer. The stick man offered advice on a certain bet which I’ll assume was this Hi-Lo bet saying offhand, ”Almost impossible”. In retrospect mdh’s response in the forum could be the mindset of the stickman in suggesting this wager. I could say “mdh” could be the stickman. My apologies if you’re not. The combination of the rolls happened later on during play after the stickman had rotated to the dealer’s position. But it didn’t strike me that we had rolled this “Almost impossible” until we had left the table and the significant other said, “You sure did roll a lot of snake eyes”. So as the wheels in my little pee brain start to shine on the events of the game the 2,12,2,2 then the staff employee in the suite who I had beaned early with a stray dice came by harassed “The Boys” again and I roll a seven. The cat was out of the bag. The gentleman from Rock Island aka dealer, stickman pinned me down with, “So what is the most you have won playing craps is it one thousand or two thousand dollars? “ I’m thinking, “Ouch”………. How will I dazzle them with a reply? Let just say I didn’t say, “I’m your proverbial virgin”.

My take on the game is as a novice it would be wise to limit your betting till you can juggle the train of thought. One can be easily distracted by keeping track of what is expected “Gang aft a-glay”. Be courteous, bet no more than you can afford, always tip the dealers, and in the end enjoy the excitement of the game.

So the bet the stickman from Rock Island mentioned as he mistook my attire as being connected to my occupation is what has been referred to as a Hi-Lo bet? The correct odds are the forum response of boymimbo. And the $50,000 would be would be parlayed from which initial amount? So from this I’ll have a good story to tell of our Vegas trip when I return to work.

My hats off to the gentleman at the table,” When you flush think of us”. I know the next time I’m drilled with the,” Are you a train engineer? “ from the inquiring casino staff. I’ll be wagering a threeway hi-lo parlay piggyback. That is unless of course the suite walks by.

Quote: biboveralls

Everything I said...

Uhh...What?

Quote: kenarman

While that is good I hope I need that limit as I expect to be in Vegas staying on the strip for my birthday.

My hope is that you will find yourself in the fortuitous circumstance of being able to press back half your winnings on so many decisions, that the dealers have to ask the pit boss for permission to exceed the table limit in order to book your next bet.

Since you had been taking half your winnings down each time, when the gravy train finally goes over the cliff, you will still need to call security to help carry your haul to the cage... Have a Happy Birthday!

Down in the San Diego area, I came across a guy trying to bet a 300$ horn. It was over the limit, so he settled for 50/100/100/50, hit it, walked. They spent the next 10 minutes or so studying the limit placard for some reason while play continued as normal.

Good luck!

Biboveralls I am not a stickman or dealer or desire to be one. This bet was explained to me by the more expierenced craps players some months ago on a different thread. I do love the game tho. I have been half way to 1 parlay now dozens of times. Hope to get there 1 day but dont think I have the guts to leave it out the second time much less the third. Ill take a page outa MISSION 146 page and say if u holler out 3-way hi-lo parlay piggyback it will make u sound cool. LOL good luck to you.

First, the horn bets and anything in the centre are the worst plays on the table. They're there to be sold and visible to all. The lowest house advantage is the hardways at 9.09% - 11% based on the number. The Any Craps bet I think too is 11.11%. The Big Red / 7 bet is 16.67%, while the 2 12 are (30/36-35/36) = 13.89% while the 3/11 are at 11.11%.

Not good numbers. The worst bet outside of the center is probably the field at 5.26% depending if they pay triple on the 12 or not.

Quote: boymimbo

First, the horn bets and anything in the centre are the worst plays on the table.

Despite the lower edge on Big6/8, I'd have to say that's even more of a sucker bet than the stuff in the middle... always makes me twitch a little when I see people recommending that play to others. (Playing bad yourself? Your call. Being taught bad strategy? Ugh.)