HotBlonde
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July 24th, 2012 at 9:31:10 PM permalink
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MrV
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August 20th, 2012 at 1:30:47 PM permalink
OK, time to play Devil's Advocate here.

Whether she wins or loses the bet: what can be done to compel payment if the loser simply refuses to pay?

Can this bet be legally enforced, and sued upon if not paid?

I think not: a welsher would likely have no consequences.

Other than opprobrium on this board, of course.
"What, me worry?"
EvenBob
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August 20th, 2012 at 1:49:33 PM permalink
Quote: MrV



Whether she wins or loses the bet: what can be done to compel payment if the loser simply refuses to pay.
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Say pretty please? Thats about your only recourse. The
loser is under no legal obligation to do anything.
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Wizard
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August 20th, 2012 at 2:17:07 PM permalink
Illegal debts are not legally enforceable. Even friendly bets among friends are not legal, and thus the loser is completely on the honor system to pay up. Lest you think I'm incrimating myself, even members of the Supreme Court have a home poker game.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
rxwine
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August 20th, 2012 at 2:22:56 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

even members of the Supreme Court have a home poker game.



That's not helpful unless you know one personally on your way to court.
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Mission146
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August 20th, 2012 at 3:52:17 PM permalink
I would say they are internally enforceable by way of the prospect of future returns. That is to say that, if an individual usually thinks he/she makes Prop Bets having the best of it, (and I would say that every bettor should feel this way, from an EV standpoint, lest he/she not make the bet) then if the person wishes to continue making future bets within that Forum or network, he/she must pay up when he/she loses.

That's obviously one of the driving reasons behind only Prop betting amongst people you know, or at a minimum, people with whom you have substantially the same network of acquaintances. Absent the threat of physical violence, it can be said that many people could theoretically make a bet in which they have no intention of paying if they lose, provided they do not plan to associate with that person/in that network again, so that's pretty much going to be honor system.
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FleaStiff
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August 20th, 2012 at 3:54:37 PM permalink
Benny Binion had a better collection rate than Sears did on the Sears card even though his debts were gambling debts .
Wizard
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August 20th, 2012 at 5:58:05 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Benny Binion had a better collection rate than Sears did on the Sears card even though his debts were gambling debts .



I suspect "old school" methods of collecting gambling debts.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
FleaStiff
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August 20th, 2012 at 6:13:51 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I suspect "old school" methods of collecting gambling debts.


Not at all. Having your marker accepted there and paying it off really meant something. A man might try to evade other creditors and might not be able to look his wife in the eye but he always wanted to be accepted where it really counted. Not for nothing did that Salvation Army officer threaten Sky Masterson by promising to buzz it all over town that he had welched on a marker! Beside, in old Las Vegas ALL the casinos had better collection rates than credit card issuers did. Mob owned or not. In the old days, the call was "Gentlemen, Belly Up To The Bar" and if a man tried to line up with the rest of the room but a brace of bouncers forced him away in disgrace it was almost as bad as "Getting The Bum's Rush" at a tavern's Free Lunch. The rules were few... but they had clout! A man's marker really meant something and even hobos carried a piece of chalk to "chalk a man up" when he needed it.
aceofspades
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August 20th, 2012 at 6:31:31 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Well, Wizard, let's see.

In the past month, there have been six suspensions of members, with each being due to a personal insult having been hurled. What could have stimulated such a sudden hostile environment here? Let's examine the six cases and where each insult was delivered:

Nareed: in a private message that I highly suspect came out of Thursday's interactions in the Hot Blonde Challenge thread.
MrV: in the Hot Blonde Challenge thread.
MakingBook: in the Hot Blonde Challenge thread.
kewlj: in a political thread.
Fleastiff: in the Hot Blonde Challenge thread.
Zippyboy: in a collection of posts later split off from the Hot Blonde Challenge thread.

It strikes me that there is only one thread around here in which members are really nasty and insulting to each other. About nine hours ago, I made a post in the Private Messages thread in which I asked the question, "Is there some cutoff such that after so many members have been suspended due to comments in a single thread that the thread itself should be suspended?"

Now our host seems concerned instead that the thread has gone quiet. I just dunno.




Don't forget NewAP and some other new account he tried to sneak past the Wizard

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